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Possesive form of indefinite pronoun "one".

 
 
Reply Sun 6 Sep, 2015 09:55 am
What exactly is the correct form for showing possession with the pronoun "one"? While an apostrophe with proper names is the norm, is it correct or incorrect to write "ones" as in "ones memory" with no apostrophe? I always thought the apostrophe showed a contraction ("One's ready to confess?")
and not possession. We don't add an "s" to the possessive adjectives "his" or "her" to show possession. Just wondering (although it's not keeping me up at night.)
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Tes yeux noirs
 
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Reply Sun 6 Sep, 2015 10:24 am
The possessive pronoun “one’s” requires an apostrophe before the S, unlike “its,” “hers,” and other personal pronouns. Examples: “pull oneself up by one’s own bootstraps,” “a jury of one’s peers,” “minding one’s own business.”

A simple test: try inserting “anyone’s” in place of “one’s.” If it works grammatically, you need the apostrophe in “one’s” too. When “one’s” is a contraction of “one is” it also requires an apostrophe: “no one’s listening,” “this one’s for you.”

The only times “ones” has no apostrophe are when it is being used to mean “examples” or “people” as in “ripe ones” or “loved ones,” or in the informal arithmetical expression “the ones column.”


farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 6 Sep, 2015 11:08 am
@Tes yeux noirs,
apparently thats another UK thingy, like " I got Orientated" instead of "I got oriented" I posted the form without an apostraphe into a search on a journalism site and it came back with "accepted use in US and Canadia"
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 6 Sep, 2015 12:11 pm
TYN's explanation coincides with what i was taught, both as a child and while at university. I also consider it plausible and sensible.
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Tes yeux noirs
 
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Reply Sun 6 Sep, 2015 12:23 pm
@farmerman,
Well, that's interesting, because the guidance about "one" and the apostrophe which I posted came from a page hosted by Wayne State College in Wayne, Nebraska. As for "orientated" I hate it and I am a British English user! According to corpus studies, in American usage, oriented is about 60 times more common than orientated. However, in British usage, orientated is only about 5 times more common than oriented. A lot of sources say that it (orientated) should be avoided in formal writing. So orientate still a long way from being "standard", but it's over 10 times more "acceptable" to Brits than Americans.

farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 6 Sep, 2015 01:46 pm
@Tes yeux noirs,
I always hear it in these "outdoor" survivalist shows with people like "Ber Gryllis" and Jeremy Clarkson. (I just assumed that Clarkson did it for laughs).

Brits usually laugh at malaprops and localisms. Merkins just take notes and use it as fodder against the speaker. In the last few days the US news has been eviscerating poor Gov Perry when he spoke of a "stopped clock being right once a day"
I made the comment that, rememebring that Perry was a mil pilot, he was used to mil clocks (24 hour face). A comment then stated that most Merkins are too dumb to recognize the difference in clock works so the joke was on the Governor(implying he was an elitist). And the comment wasnt by HAwkeye.


Wayne State eh? well, Nebraska has never shown us that it was even born in the US. We suspect that Nebraska was really born in Kenya.

ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 6 Sep, 2015 01:56 pm
@eglwyswas,
In regard to this: "One's ready to confess?", I take that as a contraction of "One is", with ready being an adjective. If it were possessive, it would say something about one's readiness to confess, readiness being a noun.
Tes yeux noirs
 
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Reply Sun 6 Sep, 2015 02:01 pm
@farmerman,
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In the last few days the US news has been eviscerating poor Gov Perry when he spoke of a "stopped clock being right once a day"

Clocks are different these days from ye olde days when proverbs were invented. Lots of people get the time from phones or computers. I can imagine a faulty digital clock stuck at 23:15 (or 11:15 PM); I had a computer that sometimes locked up and the clock at the bottom right would not advance from where it was when the freeze happened. If you had chosen either 24-hour format or 12 hour format with AM or PM then it would be right once a day. If you chose 12 hour format with no AM or PM suffix, then, like a clock with hands, it would be right twice a day. Anyhow, that stopped clock saying sucks to me because if a stopped clock is "right" once or twice a day it is only by coincidence, and you would only know it was right if you had an accurate running clock to compare it with.

I have met plenty of Brits who can't mentally translate a 24 hour time to 12 hour format in their heads if it is after noon.

Tes yeux noirs
 
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Reply Sun 6 Sep, 2015 02:03 pm
@ossobuco,
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it would say something about one's readiness to confess, readiness being a noun.

It might possibly give rise that idea, but it would be malformed and bad English, since 'ready' in that sentence is an adjective, and not a noun.
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 6 Sep, 2015 03:14 pm
@Tes yeux noirs,
A perfect exposition on the principles of apostrophication.
A subject of profound importance.
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 6 Sep, 2015 03:16 pm
@farmerman,
Kinda like preventative as a pretentious preventive.
Aaarrghh!
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Tes yeux noirs
 
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Reply Sun 6 Sep, 2015 03:34 pm
@Tes yeux noirs,
I wrote:
give rise that idea

That's "give rise to that idea".

I wrote:
Brits who can't mentally translate a 24 hour time to 12 hour format in their heads

I don't know where else Brits (or anybody else) would mentally translate something, if not in their heads.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 6 Sep, 2015 03:48 pm
@Tes yeux noirs,
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Brits who can't mentally translate a 24 hour time to 12 hour format in their heads


heh heh

I had an econ geology teacher years ago who always thought he was Twain. We used to call his malaphrases after his name (Since he is dead, I dont wanna dishonor his name cause his family still writes me e-mails)

He would say stuff like

"In our minds mentally speaking"

"In Nicaragua wed see thousand acre maize fields full of corn

"I love warm water lobster but in Cuba theyd really charge a lot for a piece of tail"

That was 35 years ago and I still can recite
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 6 Sep, 2015 05:57 pm
@Tes yeux noirs,
Isn't that what I said? The poster was asking if that was correct re possession, and no, it wasn't in the poster's sentence.
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