What do want from Israel ?!

Here are some very good articles that may help explain the problem.
Fighting Israel's Wall
by Ann Petter
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040719&s=petter
"The International Court of Justice has ruled Israel's "Separation Wall" illegal and has called on Israel to dismantle the wall. Nineteen days ago I came to Israel to protest that wall and to bear witness to its devastating effects on the Palestinian population. Instead I was detained by Israel police upon arrival at Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion airport and have since been held in immigration detention awaiting deportation. I have been labeled a threat to "security," and the judge has called my camera a weapon. It seems to me the only threat I pose to Israel is a public relations one."

The Jewish Divide on Israel
by Esther Kaplan
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040712&s=kaplan

Until people admit that opposing Israel's bad policies does not equate to hating Jews, we're gonna have problems. Israel is using this misplaced guilt thing against us, IMO. You really need to read these. Debka is mentioned.

Not that I doubt that they are good sources, but do you also have non-Israeli sources Itabib?

I really don't see one single reason for believing Debka more then I believe neutral media sources around the world.
Of course, you two (Moishe, ltabib) still have option to believe that we all just hate Jews, and that newspapers in France, Germany, Sweden, Australia or Chile are on Palestinian side because somebody pays them for that or because they are part of larger maybe even universal conspiracy against Jews.

Do you two actually realize that nobody in this world is on Israel's side in this conflict except USA politicians? And if it wasn't for USA vetos, Israel would be under strong sanctions for decades now. And that is what it deserves.

And Palestinian terrorism has nothing to do with it. If I enter your house and then you blow up my entire family then you are criminal but house is still yours.

Point is though that there are mediasources who combine criticism on Israel with plain anti-Semitism.

Hmmm my post seems very off topic / confusing

In direct answer to your headline question.....

nothing. I want nothing from Israel. I want nothing from palestine.

Excuse me....I want you to settle your differences like big boys and girls.

Not to be overly simplistic, but I am just a bear.

Rick, of course there is Anti-Semitism in the world, and for sure there are newspapers like that as well. But, we are not talking about those now.
Unless you think that 99% of media in 99% of countries in the world is Anti-Semitic.

As I said MOU, I was being off topic. But anyway, concerning Israel-Palestine: it is time BOTH parties are WILLING to do something to gain peace. Yes, there were, are and will be peace talks - a very good thing. Yes, there are certain things both parties have given up to come closer to a real peace. But it was all NOT enough. Israel should be tougher on Israeli settlements both in the West Bank and Gaza. What Sharon wants in Gaza (the removal of the settlements there) is a good step. For a Western democracy - if I may call it like that -, I find it stunning that the settlement policy is backed by a lot of Knesset members by the argument that 'Samaria and Judea belong to Israel'. Hello secular society? Concerning the fence: I realize that Israel wants to protect it selves. But on Palestinian ground?

On the other hand, the Palestinians have certain responsiblities as well. The Palestinian Authority misses the strong hand it should have. Arafat is not a good leader when he even openly praises certain suicide bombers. Also should they question in how far the 'Right to Return' is realistic, or even fair to some?

Oh, far from that I think Palestinians are okay. In other topic I was accused of being bigot because I said that it's really not normal anymore how they behave and that percentage of Palestinians involved in terrorism is much bigger then in any other nation.
I don't approve any terrorism.
And of course that their fanatism is ALSO obstruction in peace process.
But, it's still their land. Their OCCUPIED land. And ltabib clearly said that we should go from the roots.
Well, those are roots.

What is it that Israel has done exactly that would result in an opinion this strong?

Honestly, I want to know.

occupied land that does not belong to them.
Once again, it has nothing to do with Jews or Israelis. Only with government.

No, but it's a good analogy.

The reason that it's No, is because in your scenario "I" am dead.
The house is longer mine.
"I" just killed myself.
And, yes, "I" am also a criminal.
So, "I" am a dead, criminal, murderer who managed to kill the people who entered my house.
I probably destroyed the house too.
And now, the world can take up my cause and the cause of all of my fellow neighbors who are blowing themselves up and destroying their houses....
Brilliant!

And, that is a very good analogy. I think you're onto something....

okay, I'll rephrase it to you.
If "I" enter house of "your" family and then "you" blow up "my" family, house still belongs to "your" wife and kids.
And "I" can't claim that it's "mine" because "you" were crazy criminal.

About News Web Sites
Because I am Israeli, I tend to focus on Israeli sites. Maybe somebody from other country can shad some light on that source issue and bring some non-Israeli site.

Any way, I have just asked you to cross reference the debka web site with your regular web site - do not replace them.

I do not suppose that true objectivity can be achieved.

About the "Fighting Israel's Wall"
Ref to http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040719&s=petter.


1. The International Court of Justice has only an advisory ruling.
2. Let me guess - the 75 cents will be used to pay for weapons or suicide bomber fee.
3. The Pales' would have killed the nice lady if she had wanted to protest against Pales' inside the Pales' Authority. The protest near the "Wall" is very violent and the protesters do not let the workers to work. The "No Wall" situation causes Israeli citizens (Jews and Arabs) to actually die. The wall has proven to be very good barrier to terror.
4. Due to fact the Israel is a stable democracy, a good place to start making the change in Israel's policy would be by using your persuasion force. Use the media for solid solution, induct petitions and create a dialog forums. Do not just object but suggest a solution. Do not use violent - we have enough of that.

It os no more the mission of the International Court of Justice, but of the general assembly in this week....

About Israel's alleged "occupier" status
Well, Mr. MyOwnUsername has earned the Moishe3rd's segment:
"…Most people would rather stick with pre-conceptions and misinformation that supports what they want to believe than study the facts and change their mind…"
Is it seem reasonable to you that I said :
"… 1. Those lands (Gaza and Shomron) have been occupied from Jordan/Egypt (during a war that they started in 1967).
2. Those lands are not continues territory. If you what to go from Gaza to the Shomron you would have to walk through a lot of Israel's "before 1967" lands)
3. Egypt gave up Gaza in 1982 as part of our peace agreement…."
And you answered :
"…But, it's still their land. Their OCCUPIED land….".
If you have a point, and I am sure that deep down you have one, just say it - but do not forget to follow your declarations with a little facts or a list some explanations.

The wall is on palestineans land, but let´s look then at the general assembly maybe nor in this week.

There's something I've never understood.

The issue of Palestinian land seems to be one of the most important issues in world politics today. But why is it all of a sudden important today? Prior to the Six Day War in 1967, all of the Gaza and West Bank land belonged to either Egypt or Jordan. Why wasn't it important then?

..and what are about the other issues in the world? look at here
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25810

well, well.....