Patches
 
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Mon 20 Apr, 2015 09:56 am
@FBM,
It is an idiot who believes that a, "Big Bang" (an explosion) caused all the beauty in the world.
izzythepush
 
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Mon 20 Apr, 2015 12:31 pm
@Patches,
That is such a ridiculous thing to say.
Patches
 
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Mon 20 Apr, 2015 12:42 pm
@izzythepush,
The scientist is stupid before God.
izzythepush
 
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Mon 20 Apr, 2015 01:09 pm
@Patches,
And you're stupid before the scientist.
Patches
 
  1  
Mon 20 Apr, 2015 02:15 pm
@izzythepush,
That doesn't say much. In my own defense, I know more about spiritual things than the atheist and agnostic scientist.
Patches
 
  1  
Mon 20 Apr, 2015 02:17 pm
@izzythepush,
And you are spiritually stupid before me. lol Mr. Green
izzythepush
 
  0  
Mon 20 Apr, 2015 04:28 pm
@Patches,
You're just stupid.
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Patches
 
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Mon 20 Apr, 2015 04:32 pm
http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/30800000/God-quotes-god-the-creator-30888118-250-250.gif
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FBM
 
  1  
Mon 20 Apr, 2015 04:46 pm
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/11149270_1435742933389194_6910521139561378230_n.jpg
neologist
 
  1  
Mon 20 Apr, 2015 05:07 pm
@Patches,
Patches wrote:
That doesn't say much. In my own defense, I know more about spiritual things than the atheist and agnostic scientist.
I fear you may not.
Patches
 
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Mon 20 Apr, 2015 06:26 pm
@FBM,
You do not know this and are spreading lies.
FBM
 
  1  
Mon 20 Apr, 2015 06:28 pm
@Patches,
Patches wrote:

America was built on the Christian faith. It is in our constitution.

"We the People Solemnly Swear to Protect and Defend The Constitution Of The United States of America So help us God"


http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/roll.gif Yet another myth you blindly bought into without checking for evidence.

The Oath of Office:
Quote:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
http://americanhistory.si.edu/presidency/1b2.html

No "So help me God" in it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office_of_the_President_of_the_United_States

http://www.alternet.org/story/155985/5_reasons_america_is_not_--_and_has_never_been_--_a_christian_nation

Quote:
BELIEF
5 Reasons America Is Not -- And Has Never Been -- a Christian Nation
The myth that America is a "Christian nation" is not only untrue, but promotes the pernicious idea that non-Christians are second-class citizens.

...
1. The Text of the Constitution Does Not Say the United States Is a Christian Nation
...
2. The Founders’ Political Beliefs Would Not Have Led Them to Support the Christian-Nation Idea
...
3. The Key Founders Were Not Conservative Christians and Likely Would Not Have Supported an Officially Christian Nation
...
4. Shortly After the Constitution Was Ratified, Conservative Ministers Attacked It Because It Lacked References to Christianity
...
5. During the Post-Civil War Period, a Band of Politically Powerful Pastors Tried Repeatedly to Amend the U.S. Constitution to Add References to Jesus Christ and Christianity
...

Patches
 
  1  
Mon 20 Apr, 2015 06:28 pm
@neologist,
Common...I bet that He doesn't even believe in God...get real brother!
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FBM
 
  1  
Mon 20 Apr, 2015 06:29 pm
@Patches,
Patches wrote:

You do not know this and are spreading lies.


I know that you have yet to present any genuine evidence for your invisible friend in the sky.
FBM
 
  1  
Mon 20 Apr, 2015 06:32 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_help_me_God#Presidential_oath

Quote:
Presidential oath[edit]
Main article: Oath of office of the President of the United States
There is no law that requires Presidents to use a Bible or to add the words "So help me God" at the end of the oath. There is currently debate as to whether or not George Washington, the first president, added this phrase to his oath[citation needed]. However, all Presidents since Franklin D. Roosevelt have used this phrase, according to Marvin Pinkert, executive director of the National Archives Experience.[8]
Oath of citizenship[edit]
The United States Oath of Citizenship (officially referred to as the "Oath of Allegiance," 8 C.F.R. Part 337 (2008)), taken by all immigrants who wish to become United States citizens, includes the phrase "so help me God"; however 8 C.F.R. 337.1 provides that the phrase is optional.
Military[edit]
The Enlistment oath and officer's Oath of Office both contain this phrase. Normally, it is not required to be said if the speaker has a personal or moral objection, as is true of all oaths administered by the United States government.[citation needed] However, a change in October 2013 to Air Force Instruction 36-2606[9] made it mandatory to include the phrase during Air Force enlistments/reenlistments. This change has made the instruction "consistent with the language mandated in 10 USC 502".[10] The Air Force announced on September 17, 2014, that it revoked this previous policy change, allowing anyone to omit "so help me God" from the oath.[11]
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Patches
 
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Mon 20 Apr, 2015 06:32 pm
@FBM,
My quote was from The Constitution of the United States of America. Not the Presidential Oath. I should know, I am an American, unlike you. Your just trying to sell more lies with your confused mind.
FBM
 
  1  
Mon 20 Apr, 2015 06:41 pm
Religious beliefs of the Founding Fathers

[quote]THINKERS ON RELIGION


The Founding Fathers Were Not Christians

by Steven Morris, in Free Inquiry, Fall, 1995
"The Christian right is trying to rewrite the history of the United States as part of its campaign to force its religion on others. They try to depict the founding fathers as pious Christians who wanted the United States to be a Christian nation, with laws that favored Christians and Christianity.

This is patently untrue. The early presidents and patriots were generally Deists or Unitarians, believing in some form of impersonal Providence but rejecting the divinity of Jesus and the absurdities of the Old and New testaments.

Thomas Paine was a pamphleteer whose manifestos encouraged the faltering spirits of the country and aided materially in winning the war of Independence:
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of...Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."
From:
The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine, pp. 8,9 (Republished 1984, Prometheus Books, Buffalo, NY)


George Washington, the first president of the United States, never declared himself a Christian according to contemporary reports or in any of his voluminous correspondence. Washington Championed the cause of freedom from religious intolerance and compulsion. When John Murray (a universalist who denied the existence of hell) was invited to become an army chaplain, the other chaplains petitioned Washington for his dismissal. Instead, Washington gave him the appointment. On his deathbed, Washinton uttered no words of a religious nature and did not call for a clergyman to be in attendance.
From:
George Washington and Religion by Paul F. Boller Jr., pp. 16, 87, 88, 108, 113, 121, 127 (1963, Southern Methodist University Press, Dallas, TX)

John Adams, the country's second president, was drawn to the study of law but faced pressure from his father to become a clergyman. He wrote that he found among the lawyers 'noble and gallant achievments" but among the clergy, the "pretended sanctity of some absolute dunces". Late in life he wrote: "Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!"

It was during Adam's administration that the Senate ratified the Treaty of Peace and Friendship, which states in Article XI that "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."
From:
The Character of John Adams by Peter Shaw, pp. 17 (1976, North Carolina Press, Chapel Hill, NC) Quoting a letter by JA to Charles Cushing Oct 19, 1756, and John Adams, A Biography in his Own Words, edited by James Peabody, p. 403 (1973, Newsweek, New York NY) Quoting letter by JA to Jefferson April 19, 1817, and in reference to the treaty, Thomas Jefferson, Passionate Pilgrim by Alf Mapp Jr., pp. 311 (1991, Madison Books, Lanham, MD) quoting letter by TJ to Dr. Benjamin Waterhouse, June, 1814.

Thomas Jefferson, third president and author of the Declaration of Independence, said:"I trust that there is not a young man now living in the United States who will not die a Unitarian." He referred to the Revelation of St. John as "the ravings of a maniac" and wrote:
The Christian priesthood, finding the doctrines of Christ levelled to every understanding and too plain to need explanation, saw, in the mysticisms of Plato, materials with which they might build up an artificial system which might, from its indistinctness, admit everlasting controversy, give employment for their order, and introduce it to profit, power, and pre-eminence. The doctrines which flowed from the lips of Jesus himself are within the comprehension of a child; but thousands of volumes have not yet explained the Platonisms engrafted on them: and for this obvious reason that nonsense can never be explained."
From:
Thomas Jefferson, an Intimate History by Fawn M. Brodie, p. 453 (1974, W.W) Norton and Co. Inc. New York, NY) Quoting a letter by TJ to Alexander Smyth Jan 17, 1825, and Thomas Jefferson, Passionate Pilgrim by Alf Mapp Jr., pp. 246 (1991, Madison Books, Lanham, MD) quoting letter by TJ to John Adams, July 5, 1814.

James Madison, fourth president and father of the Constitution, was not religious in any conventional sense. "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."
From:
The Madisons by Virginia Moore, P. 43 (1979, McGraw-Hill Co. New York, NY) quoting a letter by JM to William Bradford April 1, 1774, and James Madison, A Biography in his Own Words, edited by Joseph Gardner, p. 93, (1974, Newsweek, New York, NY) Quoting Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments by JM, June 1785.

Ethan Allen, whose capture of Fort Ticonderoga while commanding the Green Mountain Boys helped inspire Congress and the country to pursue the War of Independence, said, "That Jesus Christ was not God is evidence from his own words." In the same book, Allen noted that he was generally "denominated a Deist, the reality of which I never disputed, being conscious that I am no Christian." When Allen married Fanny Buchanan, he stopped his own wedding ceremony when the judge asked him if he promised "to live with Fanny Buchanan agreeable to the laws of God." Allen refused to answer until the judge agreed that the God referred to was the God of Nature, and the laws those "written in the great book of nature."
From:
Religion of the American Enlightenment by G. Adolph Koch, p. 40 (1968, Thomas Crowell Co., New York, NY.) quoting preface and p. 352 of Reason, the Only Oracle of Man and A Sense of History compiled by American Heritage Press Inc., p. 103 (1985, American Heritage Press, Inc., New York, NY.)


Benjamin Franklin, delegate to the Continental Congress and the Constitutional Convention, said:
As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the Truth with less trouble." He died a month later, and historians consider him, like so many great Americans of his time, to be a Deist, not a Christian.
From:
Benjamin Franklin, A Biography in his Own Words, edited by Thomas Fleming, p. 404, (1972, Newsweek, New York, NY) quoting letter by BF to Exra Stiles March 9, 1970.

The words "In God We Trust" were not consistently on all U.S. currency until 1956, during the McCarthy Hysteria.

The Treaty of Tripoli, passed by the U.S. Senate in 1797, read in part: "The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." The treaty was written during the Washington administration, and sent to the Senate during the Adams administration. It was read aloud to the Senate, and each Senator received a printed copy. This was the 339th time that a recorded vote was required by the Senate, but only the third time a vote was unanimous (the next time was to honor George Washington). There is no record of any debate or dissension on the treaty. It was reprinted in full in three newspapers - two in Philadelphia, one in New York City. There is no record of public outcry or complaint in subsequent editions of the papers.[/quote]
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FBM
 
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Mon 20 Apr, 2015 06:43 pm
@Patches,
Patches wrote:

My quote was from The Constitution of the United States of America. Not the Presidential Oath. I should know, I am an American, unlike you. Your just trying to sell more lies with your confused mind.


Do your homework.

Quote:
In the United States, the federal constitution makes no reference to God, but the constitutions of the states of California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Colorado, Washington, Nevada, Iowa, Texas, and Massachusetts, and the U.S. territory Puerto Rico, do. They generally use an invocatio of "God the Almighty" or the "Supreme Ruler of the Universe".[7]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_references_to_God
Patches
 
  0  
Mon 20 Apr, 2015 10:23 pm
@FBM,
I showed you a real picture of the Holy Spirit. But instead of using your intelligence to find out the truth of it. You have been using your intelligence to do the impossible and prove me wrong.
FBM
 
  1  
Mon 20 Apr, 2015 10:33 pm
@Patches,
The only thing I've proved wrong is your claim that that photograph is evidence for what you claim it is. I don't know if there's a god or not, or if there is one, whether or not it's the one you want, but I'm very sure that your photograph and subsequent presentations fall far short of evidence for it. You seem to have a knack for not doing your homework, hence the BS about the US being founded on Christian principles and your god being in the Constitution.
 

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