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What good does religion offer the world today?

 
 
Leadfoot
 
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Sat 27 Aug, 2016 04:55 pm
@TheCobbler,
Maybe.
Let's check back in 2000 years and see if people still remember Harry Potter.
TheCobbler
 
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Sat 27 Aug, 2016 05:00 pm
@Leadfoot,
You think Jesus is going to wait 2000 more years before floating down from the clouds? Smile
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 27 Aug, 2016 05:13 pm
@TheCobbler,
My guess is 4.5 billion years.
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momoends
 
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Sat 27 Aug, 2016 05:28 pm
@Leadfoot,
i´m not agains´t God at all, i just simply don´t believe it exists at all as any religion existing nowadays claims it does. I doubted about its existence when i was five years old and, by the time i became 20, i firmly believed if a Divine Entity had created us or "life" in general in the universe, it had nothing to do with what the big religions believed it to be....
Anyway, I was just trying to make you see, you cannot deny the logic of an atheist´s argument when the only (worth to be respected of course) argument you have is FAITH: faith in the verses in the Bibles to be true, faith in the Divine inspiration of the bible writers.... I believe religion has made a lot of good in this world to many people as much as many atheist´s organizations or different non religious movements have.....
One thing i have to admit though: those jackasses you alluded have turn me against religions in general, not God
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 27 Aug, 2016 05:46 pm
@momoends,
I have to believe what the scientists have told us about the age of this planet, and the evolution of homo sapiens as primates.
It seems that there are other planets that have the essential environment for life. I hope they are able to confirm it while I am still alive.
momoends
 
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Sat 27 Aug, 2016 06:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
i would rather see human kind focusing finally on what we were given (by god or nature, whatever fits better to each of us) that is our planet and getting to live in harmony with the animals and all kinds of living creatures we share the earth with..... that way it won´t be relevant whether we find other planets suitable to inhabit or not.... Im sure there are beautiful plantes out there but.... ours seems to me, a paradise to be cared of and preserved
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 27 Aug, 2016 06:25 pm
@momoends,
That's only a personal ideal that's beyond reality.
When I first visited Beijing, China, they had 11 million bikes. When I visited them about a decade later, they had 11 million cars.
Their economy increased very fast, but they're paying with their health.
One third of their rivers are polluted.
http://thediplomat.com/2013/01/forget-air-pollution-chinas-has-a-water-problem/
Not a good trade off.
momoends
 
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Sat 27 Aug, 2016 07:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
well, as personal and beyond reality as yours i guess..... i don't need to go that far away from home... many small coast villages i used to go on vacation to were barely populated and everybody just walked to the beach or the grocery store, no traffic noise or polluted air and nowadays they´ve become touristic destinies, crowded with pubs, souvenir shops and ugly rental apartment buildings... all you see is people drunk anywhere and dirt in every corner

http://d1sbk220swvksb.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/esta-es-la-playa-de-benidorm.jpg
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 27 Aug, 2016 07:57 pm
@momoends,
I love travel, and have visited 85 countries in over 200 trips. The benefit of travel is to see how people around the world live, and make friends, eat their food, drink their drink, and see the famous sites around the world. I have flown to Mt Everest, dipped my feet in the Dead Sea, visited Esperanza Base in Antarctica, and have cruised the coast of Norway up to the Russian border. I have friends in Moscow, Singapore, Malaysia, Canada, Mexico, Tanzania, Cairo, Germany, England, Cuba, and all across the US. Considering that many people never leave their state or village limits their appreciation for the many cultures and conditions of living in this world. It's a life enriching experience to be able to travel this planet.
momoends
 
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Sat 27 Aug, 2016 08:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
i love to travel: i have visited 9 countries so far and i can´t wait to be financially stable enough to be able to travel again.... Those life enriching experiences have taken me to the conclusion that this planet is full of wonders and valuable people and animals.... I can understand your position here, but i still believe the Earth is what we should hope for
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TheCobbler
 
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Sun 28 Aug, 2016 06:06 am
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TheCobbler
 
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Tue 30 Aug, 2016 04:44 am
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TheCobbler
 
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Sat 3 Sep, 2016 04:36 am
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TheCobbler
 
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Sun 4 Sep, 2016 03:01 am
CALCUTTA WILL TAKE A CENTURY TO RECOVER FROM MOTHER TERESA.
https://missionariesofcharity.wordpress.com/2016/09/03/calcutta-will-take-a-century-to-recover-from-mother-teresa/
TheCobbler
 
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Sun 4 Sep, 2016 04:16 pm
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momoends
 
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Mon 5 Sep, 2016 12:58 am
@TheCobbler,
Shocked
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izzythepush
 
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Mon 5 Sep, 2016 03:22 am
@TheCobbler,
That's hardly a "true fact," it's someone's opinion. What about the records, documents and skills kept by monks during the Dark Ages, or the preservation of Greek philosophy and maths by Moslems?

You don't seem to be capable of seeing the complexity of any situation, it's all black and white with you. The World's not like that.
TheCobbler
 
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Mon 5 Sep, 2016 06:54 am
@izzythepush,
What about the millions of manuscripts that Muslims, Christians and Jews destroyed because the church deemed them to be heretical?

You seem to see only what is left rather the whole.

Even if only half was preserved (more like one tenth), it is the other part that is in question here.

The entire history of the first century was burned by Constantine to preserve the "canon" out of perhaps thousands of first century writing on Jesus, only a handful of apocryphal codices survived.

Catholic bishops burned the Aztec's entire history and holy writings.

The same for the Greeks, only a fraction of Greek and Roman literature survived the Ottoman invasion of the Middle east.

And the burning of the Library at Alexandra has the fingerprints of religious zealots written all over it.

Hundreds if not thousands of paintings and sculptures by the great masters burned in Florence Italy due to the Pope's condemning influence. The list goes on and on... Entire cultures of people killed by the Roman Catholics because of their heretical beliefs. The largest genocide in all of history perpetrated on the American Indians and their culture fueled by religious hate. While the Catholic Church at the time was staging mass orgies at the Vatican and London was the prostitute center of the world.

Artists burned at the stake as heretics and "the dark ages" where great theaters in France and all across Europe were burnt and art and literature of any kind were forbidden (except for a handful of monks).

What of all the gentile cities "utterly destroyed" as the Bible describes it, by the Jewish people of the Old Testament because God wished it so.

So some literature survived this religious scourge and we are supposed to be grateful? A precious minority of literature survived because the religious were incapable of understanding their greatness. They survived simply to be used later as tools of oppression by the church.

These are not conspiracy theories, this is what actually happened due to religion and the imbeciles that support it.
izzythepush
 
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Mon 5 Sep, 2016 07:33 am
@TheCobbler,
No I don't, that's what you do. With you something is either good or bad there's no grey. You come out with a statement which is impossible to prove either way and you claim it's a fact. It's not.

The simple fact is you will not allow yourself to look at the whole picture. Things are either good or bad, there's nothing in between. It could be argued that were it not for certain religious groups safeguarding knowledge we'd still be living in the dark ages. That's much a fact as your previous statement.

This is examined in Walter M. Miller, Jr's A Canticle for Leibowitz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Canticle_for_Leibowitz<br />

If you weren't in such a hurry to allocate white and black hats to everyone you might learn something. I don't think that will happen because you act like you already know everything and ignore any evidence that challenges that assumption.
TheCobbler
 
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Mon 5 Sep, 2016 07:56 am
@izzythepush,
You don't address a single point I made and send me to a sugar-coated science fiction book romanticizing monks?
 

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