What good does religion offer the world today?

@neologist,

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Your words, actually.

No. Remember this?

"The Mosaic Law was severe, no doubt. But its purpose was to point the way to the Messiah."

Inconsistent memory of one's own ideas is the first sign of one's false convictions. You should not keep this up. You're not doing fine.

Now perhaps you can explain the dynamics behind this principle you forgot you brought up, but now have no choice but to remember.

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@Glennn,

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Your words, actually.

Glennn wrote:

No. Remember this?

"The Mosaic Law was severe, no doubt. But its purpose was to point the way to the Messiah."

Inconsistent memory of one's own ideas is the first sign of one's false convictions. You should not keep this up. You're not doing fine.

Now perhaps you can explain the dynamics behind this principle you forgot you brought up, but now have no choice but to remember.

As I pointed out. Your words:

Glennn wrote:

. . . barbaric, immoral, inhumane, and unethical treatment of people . .

My word:

I wrote:

. . . severe . . .

I would say "inconsistent memory of one's own ideas is the first sign of false convictions" rooted in hearsay.

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@neologist,

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As I pointed out. Your words

You said severe. You were trying to minimize the crime that was committed by Moses and his hordes. I'll refresh your memory. Moses, under the direction of your god, slaughtered innocent human beings for a crime that you have yet to mention (and I think we both know why). Now, unless you want to try to make a case for the idea that murdering men, women, and children, and raping the virgins is not immoral, inhumane, barbaric, and unethical, then severe is hardly the word that describes such abhorrent behavior.

Now, explain how its purpose was to point the way to the Messiah. This time, don't forget to do that. In fact, make it your first priority in your next post. And make your second priority an explanation of why the Midianites attacked the Israelites in the first place.

And I'm still waiting for you to provide a reference to your claim that the whore was killed before she was burned.

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@farmerman,

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Leadfoot Quote:
"He wanted us to figure that stuff out ourselves. "

The second silliest thing, next to creating gods, is presuming to know what's on its mind.

It's only silly if there really isn't a God. We haven't established that. (or have you joined the group that think they know ?).

If we assume that the book tells us something about what's on his mind, he did say to 'have dominion over the earth'. Sorry if you didn't like my paraphrasing.

But if you don't want to play the 'what if' game, nobody's twist'n your arm.

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@Glennn,

Glennn wrote:

You said severe.

Yes, I did.

Glennn wrote:

You were trying to minimize the crime that was committed by Moses and his hordes.

Or, you have inflated it to fit your premise.

Glennn wrote:

I'll refresh your memory. Moses, under the direction of your god, slaughtered innocent human beings for a crime that you have yet to mention

Could it be because they were not innocent? They practiced child sacrifice by burning the kids alive, you know.

Glenn wrote:

. . . Now, explain how its purpose was to point the way to the Messiah. This time, don't forget to do that. In fact, make it your first priority in your next post. . .

OK.
Galatians 3:24, 25 points out

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the Law has become our tutor leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to faith. But now that the faith has arrived, we are no longer under a tutor.

The Law was strict. It revealed the Jews to be sinners and no better than any other nation.

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@TheCobbler,

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God found it vital to tell us all not to wear plaid and don't untie your donkey on the Sabbath but not one word about bacteria?

He did give us all the clues possible at that stage of human development. Rotten food, ****, etc. stinks. That's a pretty good clue to avoid. I doubt it took too long for man to figure out that wounds heal faster if you keep'em clean. But next you'll say he should have told us about antibiotics as well?

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And you talk about the "death of spirit" as if one could slay God.??

I was talk'n about our spirit. If you mean the portion of his spirit breathed into us, you have some basis for your question.
No, evil/demons/etc. do not have the power to kill even our spirit but they can and do talk many into giving theirs up. If you don't acknowledge the reality of having it, God will reclaim it.

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@neologist,

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Or, you have inflated it to fit your premise.

No. Surely you have read the account of what Moses and his hordes did. It was inhumane, barbaric, etc. This is what I mean about you trying to minimize what happened.

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Could it be because they were not innocent?

Sure, you tell yourself whatever you need to believe about the children in order to not have to address their murder. Also, you're being dishonest concerning the reason why Moses and his hordes attacked the Midianites. Go get your deified book and refresh your memory.

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we are no longer under a tutor.

What tutor? The one who advocated wholesale slaughter of innocent people?

And I'm still waiting for you to provide a reference to your claim that the whore was killed before she was burned.

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@Glennn,

Emotionally charged words reveal your bias.
But, as for your last question:

Glennn wrote:

. . . And I'm still waiting for you to provide a reference to your claim that the whore was killed before she was burned.

Such a punishment was never ordained by God.

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They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart.(Jeremiah 7:31)

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@neologist,

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Emotionally charged words reveal your bias.

Emotionally charged words? You thought that was charged with emotion? I see.

So, now, not only is the god's order to kill every man, woman, and child (except for the young females) an acceptable consequence for causing some Israelite men to worship another god, but anyone pointing it out to you will be guilty of an emotionally charged outburst, thereby revealing a bias which you can use as a reason to not admit to the atrocities committed by Moses and the god that told him to do it. You do understand that the god told Moses to do it, don't you?

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Such a punishment was never ordained by God.

But that wasn't my question.

And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.

You said that the whore was killed before being burned. I asked you for a reference to support that statement.

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@Glennn,

If a neologist writes a word, but nobody reads it, did he ever say anything?

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@Glennn,

Jesus would have done better to completely ridicule the mosaic laws and start all over from a completely new foundation. (secularism)

Instead his appeasement to the mosaic law only reveals a lack of character and morality on his own part.

Jesus could have saved the world hundreds of years of darkness had he simply just started over and not involved the OT laws that led people nowhere other than over a cliff and towards self condemnation. The mosaic laws do only one thing, give people headaches.

Instead Jesus embraced the laws and gave them legitimacy. This is why I do not consider Jesus to be that enlightened and the same goes for Mohammed.

Any religion that bases itself or its god on the old testament is doomed from the start.

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@neologist,

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If a neologist writes a word, but nobody reads it, did he ever say anything?

Glennn: You were trying to minimize the crime that was committed by Moses and his hordes.

Neologist: Or, you have inflated it to fit your premise.

Glennn: No. Surely you have read the account of what Moses and his hordes did. It was inhumane, barbaric, etc. This is what I mean about you trying to minimize what happened.

Neologist: Could it be because they were not innocent?

Glennn: Sure, you tell yourself whatever you need to believe about the children in order to not have to address their murder. Also, you're being dishonest concerning the reason why Moses and his hordes attacked the Midianites. Go get your deified book and refresh your memory.

Neologist: Emotionally charged words reveal your bias.

Glennn: So, now, not only is the god's order to kill every man, woman, and child (except for the young females) an acceptable consequence for causing some Israelite men to worship another god, but anyone pointing it out to you will be guilty of an emotionally charged outburst, thereby revealing a bias which you can then use as a reason to not admit to the reality of the atrocities committed by Moses and the god that told him to do it. You do understand that the god told Moses to do it, don't you?

And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.

You said that the whore was killed before being burned. I asked you for a reference to support that statement.

Neologist: If a neologist writes a word, but nobody reads it, did he ever say anything?
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So, the real question here is: If Neologist refuses to provide reference for a claim he has made, did he ever say anything? Also, if Neologist refuses to admit that his claim that the children of the Midianites were guilty and therefore deserving of being slaughtered and raped by Moses and his hordes, does he even understand what he has written? The answer in both cases is no.

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@TheCobbler,

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Any religion that bases itself or its god on the old testament is doomed from the start.

Agreed!

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@TheCobbler,

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Jesus would have done better to completely ridicule the mosaic laws and start all over from a completely new foundation. (secularism)

Instead his appeasement to the mosaic law only reveals a lack of character and morality on his own part.

I don't get how you figure he appeased mosaic law.
In my understanding, he did away with it. Said ALL the law is fulfilled in the two simple commandments he gave.
1. Love God with all your heart, mind and soul. (or words to that effect)
2. Love others as you love yourselves.

Is the problem that's not 'secular' enough for you?

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@TheCobbler,

TheCobbler wrote:

Jesus would have done better to completely ridicule the mosaic laws and start all over from a completely new foundation. (secularism)

Instead his appeasement to the mosaic law only reveals a lack of character and morality on his own part.

Jesus could have saved the world hundreds of years of darkness had he simply just started over and not involved the OT laws that led people nowhere other than over a cliff and towards self condemnation. The mosaic laws do only one thing, give people headaches.

Instead Jesus embraced the laws and gave them legitimacy. This is why I do not consider Jesus to be that enlightened and the same goes for Mohammed.

Any religion that bases itself or its god on the old testament is doomed from the start.

Did you fail to note he fulfilled the law? We might feel the "hundreds of years of darkness" you lamented to be excessive; but we do not keep the clock. You need to read over his comments to his disciples when he celebrated the last Passover.

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@neologist,

Whatever pretty bow you try and put on biblical law it is still barbaric and draconian.

Just like whited sepultures filled with dead mans bones.

If one does not stand clearly against barbarity then one becomes guilty of it.

One becomes incriminated by inaction.

God's inaction becomes an incrimination against God's character.

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@TheCobbler,

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God's inaction becomes an incrimination against God's character.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I wonder what God does for consolation.

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@Leadfoot,

The god is damned for instructing Moses to command his hordes to slaughter human beings and rape young girls on account of them causing some Israelites to worship another god.

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@TheCobbler,

That cartoon is perfect. Leave your brain at the door.

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