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What good does religion offer the world today?

 
 
TheCobbler
 
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Thu 25 Feb, 2016 11:42 pm
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TheCobbler
 
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Fri 26 Feb, 2016 02:57 am
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I am more amazed by life than I am afraid of death... TC
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Fri 26 Feb, 2016 05:06 am
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:

Maybe love is something that can't be defined or even described, for, to do so would be to place limitations upon it. Maybe the truth is that love is what you make it. Or, maybe like everything else, love has many shades, each being no less real than the next. Maybe love is like truth. Truth is in the moment; that is, each moment is its own truth. Maybe there's nothing but love, in that even hate is simply love in process/progress.

Maybe I say maybe to all these statements because I don't know.

But maybe not!
much better now...
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Fri 26 Feb, 2016 05:15 am
Of course there can be shades of grey in Love as knowledge and intimacy with anything varies...that was not my point on the take I presented on this thread. My focus is in "critical mass", that is, when you have enough knoweledge proximity understanding so that you can not conflict with a system...an engineer may love to tweak some computers while a normal human being faced with a problem in one may want to kick it...understanding pacifies and aproximates...in that sense Love is true knoweledge. This is valid both for things and people.
Glennn
 
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Fri 26 Feb, 2016 10:27 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
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when you have enough knowledge proximity understanding so that you can not conflict with a system.

Yes. That's what I meant with the spider and fly story. That post was meant in jest, but it does point out that love is not an emotion, but rather a response based on, as you say, ". . . not conflicting with a recognized system . . ."

Fondness, infatuation, desire, affinity, sympathy, etc. are not love.

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Leadfoot
 
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Fri 26 Feb, 2016 11:22 am
@Amoh5,
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I just think it is safer to be sure there is a mutual understanding and trust before you can give unconditional love to someone you don't know. Otherwise you may be opening yourself up to abuse.
I'm kind of surprised the discussion of unconditional love has centered around us humans. In the context of religion, most people attribute that to the love that God has for us.

When cobbler brought it up, I thought he was laughing at the concept of God loving us unconditionally but sending us to burn in hell if we didn't love him the same way. Maybe it's just me, I thought it was funny...
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Fri 26 Feb, 2016 11:55 am
@Leadfoot,
...oh but you are wrong assuming that...yes I spoke about it in the context of humans but not of its ultimate nature...you frame it of course with the word God...while I address it with mathematical Reason implicit in the very fabric of the World itself. So besides the swap of names we both have a Universal vision of what Love really means.
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Amoh5
 
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Fri 26 Feb, 2016 01:37 pm
@Leadfoot,
Yeah well I thought it was a little usual, making jokes about religious people then philosphizing about love, maybe someone spiked cobbler's coffee or something. I thought it was fun though. I suppose some people find psychology and self-analysis topics interesting, others might say how boring, therefore I must be a boring person...
Leadfoot
 
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Fri 26 Feb, 2016 01:59 pm
@Amoh5,
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Yeah well I thought it was a little usual, making jokes about religious people then philosphizing about love,
Yes, a little strange, but even stranger was the positive (?) reference to John Lennon's belief in reincarnation.

How do you accept the idea of an eternal soul without embracing some concept of a God? That's one reason why Buddhism never added up for me.
Amoh5
 
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Fri 26 Feb, 2016 02:12 pm
@Leadfoot,
Yes I agree, I don't know how to orientate morally without any divine intervention, especially when I don't trust people wholesomely in that context, or deem them perfect. But I will put my trust in some kind of divine intervention(God). I don't trust people telling me what is normal or abnormal thinking because I don't think they are perfect. I tried atheism, but I could never control myself, especially during my frustrating times. I believe in God (through Lord Jesus of course)in the context of the power of positive moral thinking, rather than the magical fairy tale thinking...
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TheCobbler
 
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Fri 26 Feb, 2016 04:55 pm
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 26 Feb, 2016 05:00 pm
@TheCobbler,
Life is like a box of chocolates.
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Glennn
 
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Fri 26 Feb, 2016 05:00 pm
@Leadfoot,
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How do you accept the idea of an eternal soul without embracing some concept of a God? That's one reason why Buddhism never added up for me.

Does Buddhism promote the idea of an eternal soul?
Leadfoot
 
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Fri 26 Feb, 2016 07:00 pm
@Glennn,
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Does Buddhism promote the idea of an eternal soul?
Not explicitly but almost all forms of it believe that we are reincarnated. Some even come back as the Dalai Lama, others as what they consider 'gods' and many other possibilities. They may not call it a soul but there has to be some persistent being that survives death in order to come back as anything.
Glennn
 
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Fri 26 Feb, 2016 07:56 pm
@Leadfoot,
Well, there is the idea that the body possesses a soul. But the truth may be that the soul possesses bodies. It is difficult to envision many lifetimes in which you have your existence. It is even more difficult to envision such lifetimes as occurring simultaneously as timelines. The problem with comprehending such things as simultaneous existences is the egocentric idea that the physical body is the core of your existence, and that this reality is the hub around which all else revolves.

It is more soothing to the ego to imagine a linear sequence to things; even things eternal. So, you are taught that you are born, that you live, that you die, and that you then enter another state for permanent residence called Heaven. And you will accept this idea despite the fact that what it offers is a static state--a never ending ending in which stagnation is a given.

The truth is that you do not know. And though you might invoke the concept of faith when it comes to dealing with what you do not know, you must also admit that faith is synonymous with belief. You believe in your faith in your belief. You have faith in your belief.
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 26 Feb, 2016 08:11 pm
@Glennn,
Maybe, in heaven, they'll have free sports events, free movies, free publications, free se...... oh, that won't do in god's country.
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Lilkanyon
 
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Fri 26 Feb, 2016 08:58 pm
I joined an atheist web site once. I didnt last a day there. They were just as "religious" about their anti religion then religious people. I struggle with belief in God, but I do not insult or offend people who do, as long as they return the same respect. In fact I believe in the "golden rule".

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
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TheCobbler
 
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Fri 26 Feb, 2016 09:16 pm
@Glennn,
Very great words Glennn.

Whether if we believe in a static or a changing/revolving state of existence it is still a belief.

We might prepare for the next existence, static or random as it may be we need to also take inventory of this present state and see if there is some reason why we now have almost 100 years to observe what seems like a consciousness on an Earth, a paradise realized. Perhaps the living is more of interest than the future that may or may not exist in the way we believe?
Leadfoot
 
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Fri 26 Feb, 2016 09:40 pm
@TheCobbler,
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Perhaps the living is more of interest than the future that may or may not exist in the way we believe?
Or maybe one of Glennn's simultaneous timelines of existence is more interesting than this one.

Nah, couldn't be..
Lilkanyon
 
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Fri 26 Feb, 2016 09:57 pm
Speculating on what "God wants or expects" is what got us into this trouble to begin with. We hate Isis because they are repeating the causes Christians did 1000 years ago, convert or kill right? Or just kill...we hate they disrespect our beliefs...they are willing to kill and die for their beliefs...are you?
Im not advocating their position, Im just pointing out a fact. We all believe, if your religious, that your religion is the one and only and God only approves of your religion. If you belive that, you believe that your beloved God takes joy in the slaughter of people in his name. Whether you believe in God or not, I cant believe in that.
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