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Would the World be Better off Without Religion?

 
 
FBM
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2015 05:47 pm
@neologist,
The inference required in judgments based on circumstantial evidence are based on past, mundane observations. Fingerprints are circumstantial evidence. Hardly comparable to claims of a celestial creator.
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2015 06:01 pm
@FBM,
Fingerprints, in many cases, are direct evidence.
What are you trying to say?

About 6 months ago, a guy was sentenced to 90 plus years in Snohomish County for manslaughter.
Bullet never found
No eyewitness ID
No fingerprints, of course.
Other circumstantial evidence was enormous, to say the least.
FBM
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2015 06:19 pm
@neologist,
Taking your word on the story, are you saying that you have circumstantial evidence of that magnitude? Such that an impartial jury of 12 would be unanimous about it?
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2015 06:26 pm
@FBM,
Happens often
And, in this case, after reading the news, I think they got it right.
He is appealing, though, I think.
FBM
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2015 06:42 pm
@neologist,
I should have been clearer. Are you saying that you have circumstantial evidence for a divine creator that is equivalent to the evidence that convicted that man, such that an impartial jury of 12, etc?
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2015 06:43 pm
@FBM,
Better.
(Edit: Note impartial)
FBM
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2015 08:09 pm
@neologist,
Answer?
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 30 Aug, 2015 09:38 pm
@FBM,
I need time to compose another thread. This is stuff I have been through before.
I was torched in Brandon's thread.
Not that I thought my points were invalid, just not well received.
Perhaps if arranged in more logical order. . .
But it's Evergreen State Fair time and I'm buried until Labor Day. . .
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2015 12:04 am
@neologist,
You're flailing a straw man seeing as how you're referring to another meaning of the word "faith," i.e. "honesty, sincerity." FBM is referring to "faith," i.e. "strong or unshakeable belief in something, esp without proof or evidence."
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2015 02:42 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

You're flailing a straw man seeing as how you're referring to another meaning of the word "faith," i.e. "honesty, sincerity." FBM is referring to "faith," i.e. "strong or unshakeable belief in something, esp without proof or evidence."


It is worthwhile to note that a reasonable definition of "stoneheadedness" would be, "strong or unshakable belief in something, esp. without proof or evidence."

There is a good deal of stoneheadedness involved in most discussions of religion...from proponents of all sides of the issue.
onevoice
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2015 05:39 am
@Frank Apisa,
Good point Frank!
timur
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2015 05:59 am
@onevoice,
Stoneheadedness from proponents of all sides of the issue, including Frank, obviously..

Why would it be a "good point" remains to be seen..
onevoice
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2015 06:18 am
@timur,
Well Timur, because obviously you are too blind to see you are one of the proponents too. So it wouldn't be a good point to you, now would it? Lol
timur
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2015 06:23 am
@onevoice,
You cannot see behind basic words, can you?

I don't go around saying I know about what you believe and what you think.

I go around about what you say and what you said till now is just a bundle of a pitiful mix of different notions.

Try to be accurate, precise and don't let your beliefs interfere in the way of clarity..
onevoice
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2015 06:34 am
@timur,
Oh Timur, I see so much beyond those basic words, and the basic line of thinking you are projecting here. If you honestly believe my seeking answers is a pitiful thing or I am doing it in a pitiful manor, you are much more ignorant than I gave you credit for.
timur
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2015 06:41 am
@onevoice,
You are not seeking answers, you want to have your beliefs confirmed.

Since you arrived you sided already with the ones that know nothing about stuff but as they give you the confirmation you were waiting for, you dismissed those who can teach you something.

If ignorance is talking plainly, I'm ignorant.

If wicked thinking and weaseling are knowledge, I'm unknowlegeable..
onevoice
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2015 06:50 am
@timur,
No, actually that right there is the perfect example of what I am talking about here. I have sided with no one. All I did was tell Frank he had a good point. That doesn't mean I agree with it or disagreed with yours. I haven't stated either way, and now I won't because you, my friend, are annoying and I have better things to do with my time. Smile
anthony1312002
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2015 06:56 am
@onevoice,
That is the way to handle those who wish only to argue. Great answer.
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2015 06:58 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
You're flailing a straw man seeing as how you're referring to another meaning of the word "faith," i.e. "honesty, sincerity." FBM is referring to "faith," i.e. "strong or unshakeable belief in something, esp without proof or evidence."
Oh, I see.
We're not talking about faith.
We're talking about faith.
onevoice
 
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Reply Mon 31 Aug, 2015 07:03 am
@anthony1312002,
Thanks Anthony!
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