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Aussies - Has Midnight Oil's Peter Garrett sold out!????

 
 
margo
 
Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2004 11:19 pm
Peter Garrett, former lead singer of Midnight Oil, President of the Australian Conservation Foundation, and former Senate candidate for the Nuclear Disarmament Party, has joined the Labor Party, and has been nominated for a safe seat in Sydney for the next Federal elections.

A colleague at work felt he had sold out his principles.

I thought he'd made a fairly pragmatic decision - realistically, the only way to achieve anything is to belong to one of the major political parties. He can push his agenda, and be better heard, but he may have to toe the line on some things he doesn't like.

What do you think?

For our non-Aussie friends, the Labor Party is similar to the Democrats in US, Labour in UK, and heaven knows what elsewhere.
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margo
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2004 11:30 pm
Here's a mention from USA Today:

http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2004/2004-06/10-oil-inside.jpg
Ex-Midnight Oil singer runs for office
SYDNEY, Australia (AP) ?- The former lead singer of the Australian rock band Midnight Oil announced Thursday that he will run for parliament with the opposition Labour Party ?- and party leaders said he could even become a government minister someday.

Peter Garrett's old band, Midnight Oil, was best known for the 1986 song, Beds Are Burning.

Peter Garrett, a committed environmental activist with a distinctive bald pate, had long used Midnight Oil as a forum for his political views. The band broke up in 2002 after 25 years.

"Politics is an imperfect game, we all know that," Garrett said. "We see it on television stations every night; and yet it's the best game we have for making the country work better."

Labour had asked Garrett to run, and he'll try for a seat from a Sydney district that is a Labour stronghold. Party leader Mark Latham said he expected his star recruit to become a senior minister someday.

"He's got a big contribution to make and of course we want that contribution to be made in the most appropriate capacity," Latham said. "I'd be surprised that if sometime in the future Peter wasn't a front line minister in a Labour government."

Midnight Oil scored a major international hit with its 1986 protest song about Aboriginal land rights, Beds Are Burning. The band played the tune at the closing ceremony of the 2000 Sydney Olympics.

Garrett has been involved in campaigns against genetic engineering, coastal development and the nuclear industry. In the early 1980s, he was narrowly defeated in a bid for a seat in parliament's upper house on a nuclear disarmament ticket.

Earlier Thursday, several Australian newspapers reported that Garrett had not voted in the last 10 years ?- a period that included three federal elections and a referendum on whether Australia should become a republic.

Garrett did not specifically address the reports but said he had voted in the past. Voting is mandatory in Australia; failing to do so is punishable by a fine.

"I have voted in previous elections, I have voted in referenda, I have even voted when I was overseas," he said.

Prime Minister John Howard, of the ruling Liberal Party, said the report cast doubt on Garrett's credibility.

"All I can say is that if somebody hasn't voted on the last three occasions and had an opportunity to do so, they can't be very passionate about the future of this country, can they?" Howard told Perth's Radio 6PR.

Howard, who said Wednesday he is a Midnight Oil fan, has yet to announce a date for the next parliamentary elections. A poll is expected before the U.S. presidential elections in November.

In addition to his singing career, Garrett has been president of the Australian Conservation Foundation. He also has served on the international board of environmental group Greenpeace.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2004 11:47 pm
C'mon! Labor is effectively quite a lot left of the Dems - surely!!!

I think Garrett has stopped mucking about - ie farting around with parties who will not, in the near future anyway, have any power to set, as opposed to prune, agenda.

Having said that, I suspect that ALP discipline will be very difficult for him - but, he is a bright and realistic man, I think - mebbe he'll cope for a while, anyway?

Politics is the daunting art of the possible - and carrying the can - and always knowing that people are full of unreasoning prejudice against you - and that you must, by definition, almost always displease 50% of your fellow Australians.

Good luck to him - I hope he brings some environmental and so forth guts to the ALP - and doesn't get crushed in the process.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2004 11:48 pm
Lol! I hadn't read his quotes above when I wrote that!
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2004 11:55 pm
I don't think it's such a great idea all round. Peter's not going to fit in with his green credentials and the party may take it out on Latham if there is a voter backlash. However, the good thing is that it increases the profile of the ALP as much more dynamic than under Crean - so Howard's got a reason to be worried.

He's already sic'ed Alexander Downer onto Peter, stand by for some more 'probing' examinations of Peter's personal life and previous statements.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 12:08 am
I think Peter Garrett is smarter than most of the liberals combined. It should be interesting.

He's already indicated that he will to 'toe the line' on some of the more contentious issues-which is in keeping with being a prominent member of one of the major parties.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 01:09 am
"Garrett did not specifically address the reports but said he had voted in the past. Voting is mandatory in Australia; failing to do so is punishable by a fine.
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Haha. Voting isn't mandatory.

Turning up at a polling booth, IF you are enrolled, is.

They'll have to do better than that to discredit him.

I so hope they don't turn the same politics of personal attack on him as they did with the egregiously painful Cheryl Curnow.

I suspect he might handle it better, though.

Sounds as though he has thought it through Wilso.

Dealing with a NSW Right sub-branch, which it seems he will have to do, with many with their "it was my bloody turn" noses out of joint, is gonna be tough.

The NSW Right are real toe-cutters. Yeccccchhhhh!
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 06:26 am
To me, it would have made more sense if he'd joined the Greens. They would seem to be the logical choice, given his stated ideals. Also, with the Greens he wouldn't be nearly as constrained about saying what he actually thinks/believes in public. I can see him facing a lot of personal conflict in having to "toe the party line".
I think the Labor Party is cynically using him to increase its "youth vote". An effort to stop the drift of votes from Labor to the Greens. I suspect, in the long run, joining Labor will damage his credibilty & he'll regret this move. I can't see him having much impact on the NSW Right, which runs the show.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 06:35 am
Are you sure you're not talking about Ralph Nader?
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 06:38 am
Absolutely, Gus. Very Happy
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 06:50 am
Say, msolga, as long as you're here: I never did thank your for that delightful afternoon of skiing. As a token of my appreciation I would like to offer you a gift. Only one, mind you, but it's your choice.

Which one would you like.....?

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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 06:53 am
Just one? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm .... I'll have to think very seriously about this, Gus.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 06:56 am
Well hurry up, dammit... I can't be standing around here all day.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 07:06 am
The little one with the bandy legs. Now, let's not ruin margo's thread, Gus ... Do you have any comment about Peter Garrett joining the Australian Labor Party?
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 07:11 am
Margo is used to me disrupting her life. She certainly won't mind if I muddy up the carpet in this thread.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 07:35 am
Another thought about Peter Garrett & the Oz Labor party: How on earth will he be able to suggest strategies for say, saving forests in Tasmania, when the Forestry union will be fighting tooth & nail in the ALP to protect jobs in the industry?
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Wilso
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 07:40 am
I suspect it's a little bit of six of one, half a dozen of the other. Joining the Greens, he may have been able to be more outspoken, but as a member of the Labor party and therefore probably a member of the next government, possibly as a minister, he'll have more chance to influence policy. Remembering of course that the greens could very likely hold the balance of power in the senate.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 07:50 am
Wilso wrote:
Remembering of course that the greens could very likely hold the balance of power in the senate.


Yes. So just imagine a Green team of Bob Brown & Peter Garrett! The Greens would gain an even greater share of disenchanted Labor/Liberal voters. Garrett could be really influential in that situation. And not have to compromise nearly as much as in the ALP.
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margo
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 01:23 pm
I'm with Deb.

Being a member of one of the major parties is probably the only way to get things done - at least if that party is in power. (and Deb is closer to mainstream politics than the rest of us)

There is very likely to be a change of government by the end of this year (well...maybe). PG was obviously looking for something to do - he misses performing? Mark Latham thinks he'll bring something to the Labor Party (I do wish they'd spell Labor correctly - labour, people - my hands don't like it this way!) It makes Mark Latham look better, pro-active, and certainly differentiates them somewhat from the Libs.

As for Peter Garrett, I think he'll chafe greatly under the restrictions of the party line. Already, he's had to agree to woodchipping in Tasmania, foreign bases in Oz, what else.???

The combination of Bob Brown and Peter Garrett is attractive, as Greens members. But holding the balance of power in the Senate is really only a spoiling position, rather than making policy. Yes, you can force concessions, but only on major party agendas - more bribing really. I suspect, also, that it won't be long until Bob Brown hangs up his hat.

He's intelligent and articulate - no doubt about that - and it'll serve to make politics more interesting for a while. The not-voting thing will come back and bite him on the bum, I suspect.

We live in interesting times.
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margo
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 01:26 pm
msolga wrote:
Wilso wrote:
Remembering of course that the greens could very likely hold the balance of power in the senate.


Yes. So just imagine a Green team of Bob Brown & Peter Garrett! The Greens would gain an even greater share of disenchanted Labor/Liberal voters. Garrett could be really influential in that situation. And not have to compromise nearly as much as in the ALP.


It's my guess that Labor hopes that this will split the Green vote - Peter Garrett must be one of the highest profile "greenies" around.
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