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What Darwin discovered

 
 
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 09:07 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
DNA Thumbs drive wrote:
The definition of supernatural is undefined, clearly if we take life to Mars, get it started, then have a catastrophe on the Earth, and never get back to Mars, you would not be defining us as supernatural would you. Because this is all within the realm of intelligent progress, that either exist now or will in the future. Now this life, that we put on Mars, could develop by evolution into an intelligent being, able to ask, from where did I come, and it all begins again.

This may be what DNA does, the junk (unknown what it does DNA) could well be the data for creating or recreating, anything..... and yes this includes us, that may be in his image...

Whose image? I thought you said that nothing supernatural was involved. Please tell me where the DNA of these creator creatures came from. You have said that only DNA based life forms can reproduce. How do these creators reproduce and where did their DNA come from? Stop being so coy and give me a simple, clear explanation of what you are saying.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 09:59 pm
@Brandon9000,
You need to run the timeline forward, instead of 3.5 billion years backward like most people always do. If we (humanity) seed engineered life on another planet, then we are the Intelligent Designer of that life. The creator is then humanity. It's really quite simple, once you get your head out of the dead past, and envision the soon to be future.

The rover continues, paving the way to our future.

https://lightsinthedark.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/rover_movie18.gif

And the designer.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--EbQ_vvG5--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/17v3j320bkcffgif.gif
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 10:52 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
DNA Thumbs drive wrote:
You need to run the timeline forward, instead of 3.5 billion years backward like most people always do. If we (humanity) seed engineered life on another planet, then we are the Intelligent Designer of that life. The creator is then humanity. It's really quite simple, once you get your head out of the dead past, and envision the soon to be future.

I'm not talking about what humans might do someday. I'm talking about the origin of life on Earth. That's what we've been talking about. Who are you saying created the DNA that we have now on Earth, and how did that creator(s) DNA get started? Why did you say "in his image?" Why are you so afraid to give me a direct, simple answer?
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 08:04 am
@Brandon9000,
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I'm not talking about what humans might do someday. I'm talking about the origin of life on Earth.


I know, but you are aware, that the past has a tendency to repeat itself, and when we as a race leave the Earth, as we are beginning to do, that a new era begins. Taking life to another World thus puts the human race in the position of creator of life on another world, these things are within our control. Speculating about 3.5 billion years ago, is not logical, and is a matter of faith, no matter what you believe. Unless you produce evidence that the hundreds of thousands of lines of genetic code needed for a simple one celled organism, could spontaneously generate. Since you can not do this, your belief of spontaneous generation in a pond, is a belief of faith, and not one of science.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 10:21 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
DNA Thumbs drive wrote:

Quote:
I'm not talking about what humans might do someday. I'm talking about the origin of life on Earth.


I know, but you are aware, that the past has a tendency to repeat itself, and when we as a race leave the Earth, as we are beginning to do, that a new era begins. Taking life to another World thus puts the human race in the position of creator of life on another world, these things are within our control. Speculating about 3.5 billion years ago, is not logical, and is a matter of faith, no matter what you believe. Unless you produce evidence that the hundreds of thousands of lines of genetic code needed for a simple one celled organism, could spontaneously generate. Since you can not do this, your belief of spontaneous generation in a pond, is a belief of faith, and not one of science.

I have never once referred to any genetic code whatsoever. You are utterly misrepresenting a position I have stated clearly. I am talking only about a molecule that copies itself and nothing more. All the rest would have come very slowly by evolution. There is nothing implausible about a molecule that copies itself forming spontaneously after hundreds of millions of years of random reactions in the world's oceans.

Now, I ask you yet again - where did the DNA of these creators you refer to come from and why did you say, "in his image," after telling me that you weren't talking about the supernatural? Give me a simple, clear answer.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 11:05 am
@Brandon9000,
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I have never once referred to any genetic code whatsoever. You are utterly misrepresenting a position I have stated clearly. I am talking only about a molecule that copies itself and nothing more.


DNA is not a molecule, it is, for a human genome (23 chromosomes) is estimated to be about 3.2 billion base pairs long and to contain 20,000–25,000 distinct protein-coding genes.

H2O, is a molecule, it consist of 2 H atoms to one O atom, calling DNA a molecule is irrational. Human DNA can not exist without billions of combinations, all in perfect order, thus is not a molecule.


1.

Chemistry, Physics. the smallest physical unit of an element or compound, consisting of one or more like atoms in an element and two or more different atoms in a compound.


2.

Chemistry. a quantity of a substance, the weight of which, measured in any chosen unit, is numerically equal to the molecular weight; gram molecule.


3.

any very small particle.

Sheesh
parados
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 12:56 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
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DNA is not a molecule

That statement right there, shows you don't know what the hell you are talking about.



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Molecular size

Most molecules are far too small to be seen with the naked eye, but there are exceptions. DNA, a macromolecule, can reach macroscopic sizes, as can molecules of many polymers. Molecules commonly used as building blocks for organic synthesis have a dimension of a few angstroms (Å) to several dozen Å. Single molecules cannot usually be observed by light (as noted above), but small molecules and even the outlines of individual atoms may be traced in some circumstances by use of an atomic force microscope. Some of the largest molecules are macromolecules or supermolecules.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 04:24 pm
@parados,
DNA is not a molecule, if this were true, then it would not have individual parts. DNA is a machine, it has code, and a matrix for holding the code. Molecules do not have organized parts, nor do they contain the code for forming living creatures. Water is a molecule, the only people who describe machines as molecules, are the fools who refuse to understand, that machines are all, every one of them, created by an intelligence.

But you go right on believing that the guys from Harvard, who are now storing binary code on DNA, are not using DNA as a hard drive...... http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/134672-harvard-cracks-dna-storage-crams-700-terabytes-of-data-into-a-single-gram
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 05:54 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
DNA Thumbs drive wrote:

Quote:
I have never once referred to any genetic code whatsoever. You are utterly misrepresenting a position I have stated clearly. I am talking only about a molecule that copies itself and nothing more.


DNA is not a molecule, it is, for a human genome (23 chromosomes) is estimated to be about 3.2 billion base pairs long and to contain 20,000–25,000 distinct protein-coding genes....

I have told you by now probably a full fifteen times in this and other threads that I am not talking about DNA, so I won't bother defining molecule for you. The theory is that a molecule which was much, much simpler than DNA eventually formed which could copy itself and that this kicked off the process of evolution. The molecule had no genetic code whatsoever, so your argument that a molecule with genetic code is too complicated to form spontaneously is irrelevant, since I have never suggested any such thing.

Why do you persistently refuse to answer my question as to where the DNA of your hypothetical creator(s) came from? Please give me a simple and direct answer.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 08:37 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
All molecules have individual parts since molecules are made up of atoms.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 08:39 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
The DNA they are using to store information on no longer functions to create life.

You don't seem to understand the difference between DNA that is simply used to read the information on it and DNA that can replicate itself and builds proteins.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 09:20 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
store ok, retrieve? They haven't found way to do it quickly.
I recall the exotic "hard drives were on a serch for exotic volumetric surfaces.
The most recent was Sodium Bismuthinte (Na3Bi). Its a 3DTDS. Others include Cd3As2 (I don't think Id give one of these to a kid) and BETA Cristobalite (b SiO2).If beta Cristobalite orks as a 3d hard drive, then itll transition us into any future where the world of hybrid and Biocomputing MAY be a way to go.

(seems were ahead of Wikipedia on this one this is the best I could find on Sodium Bismuthinate)

http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=three-dimensional_topological_Dirac_semi-metal&action=edit&redlink=1
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 05:55 pm
@farmerman,
Wiki...................where Al Gore post climatology......

Sheesh
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 07:02 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Extreme Tech suggests going to Wiki to go deeper into its "Blogspots"

Im not a big fan of Wiki either because it is as wrong as other sites without being juried. ANY SITE with a dot com is a commercial . SO Ill SHEESH'S ya back Thumbsy.

ANYWAY, the info on 3D storage available NOW( CdAs and NaBi) was mine.
Cristobalite was one of the first 3D HD's but theyre still working on retrieval
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 08:27 pm
@farmerman,
DNA can hold all of the post you have ever made, and the entire contents of the library of Congress, on 1-mg of DNA.

DNA is the most advanced thing in the known universe.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2014 03:09 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
so can we use a 100 g of chunk of cristobalite (and its not massively parallel like DNA).
I can understand biophysicists playing with DNA as a media, "just to show that we can do it".


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parados
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2014 08:34 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
No, it isn't. Quantum storage, qubits, is the most advanced and smallest storage system in the known universe.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2014 07:10 pm
@parados,
If and when they are useful, perhaps. As for now, a typical book will fit on a trillionth of a gram of DNA.

Sheeshes
parados
 
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Reply Tue 16 Dec, 2014 09:49 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
No such DNA drive has ever been produced in any quantity. It was done as a simple exercise to show it could be done. The time needed to read a book on a DNA drive would probably be weeks at this time.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Wed 17 Dec, 2014 07:16 pm
@parados,
What quantity is needed, 1 milligram would encode the entire library of Congress......

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