What if Edwin Hubbel never discovered red shift? and the Big Bang never was

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Seriously, if Hubbell did not become an astronomer and decided to write poetry, and red shift was not discovered or was discovered 30 years later, then Einstein's static and not expanding universe, would have been written into text books.

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[+4] - edgarblythe - 12/02/2014And your imaginary friend would be safe from scrutiny?

And your imaginary friend would be safe from scrutiny?

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@edgarblythe,

Ah, so you see the ignorance of those who claim to know all.....Very good, there is hope for you after all.

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@DNA Thumbs drive,

DNA Thumbs drive wrote:

Seriously, if Hubbell did not become an astronomer and decided to write poetry, and red shift was not discovered or was discovered 30 years later, then Einstein's static and not expanding universe, would have been written into text books.

Then the text books would be rewritten once the new evidence came to light. Science is dynamic not dogmatic. It's not about being all-knowing, it's about recognizing the best explanation available given the evidence at the time.

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If Hubble hadn't observed the red ****, someone else would have. It's not as though it could only have been discovered by Hubble.

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@Setanta,

That is true, but if this did not happen in Einstein's lifetime, and Einstein did not admit his mistake, there would be an argument...

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

And your imaginary friend would be safe from scrutiny?

Not only his closest imaginary friend, but an infinite chain of imaginary friends, stretching back hundreds of billions of years. Of course, if you believe life was started by a god 5 billion years ago, and if you believe that that god was created by another god 5 billion years before that, who was in turn created by another god 5 billion years before that (etc.), then it helps to also believe in...

DNA guy wrote:

Einstein's static and not expanding universe

...rather than in a universe that started in a Big Bang a mere 14 billion years ago.

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@Kolyo,

Given the right conditions, you are God.

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@DNA Thumbs drive,

DNA Thumbs drive wrote:

That is true, but if this did not happen in Einstein's lifetime, and Einstein did not admit his mistake, there would be an argument...

There are often disagreements in science. Why would this one be any different from the others? Science continually does research and tests it's theories. When the evidence no longer supports a theory then the theory is thrown out. But the key here is that there MUST be evidence to dispute the theory that supports another theory. Simply because a theory doesn't explain everything completely is not a reason to throw it out.

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@parados,

I suppose that you are correct, what bugs me however is that relativity and the big bang are taught as being reality. Sure we say that they are theory, but a 5 to 10 year old believes what they are taught, which is why the theory of evolution should be taught alongside intelligent design. Let the kid figure out what they want to believe, or be the mind to find them both wrong by creating life their self.

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@DNA Thumbs drive,

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Sure we say that they are theory, but a 5 to 10 year old believes what they are taught, which is why the theory of evolution should be taught alongside intelligent design.

So if a 5-10 year old believes what they are taught your suggestion is we teach them things that aren't true so they will believe what they are taught? We might as well teach them the earth is flat, that gravity doesn't really exist and when they kill people they will come back to life. After all, it would be best if they just figure it out for themselves.

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@parados,

No I would never teach things that are not true, and as for theories, there are adults who can not grasp the big bang theory, and the most controversial theory ever taught, evolution, actually relies on nothing as evidence of where species that evolve came from in the first place. Which is why the Catholic Pope has now endorsed evolution as proof of God, so if the Pope is endorsing evolution, is it actually a religious concept?

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@DNA Thumbs drive,

So then please tell us your evidence for intelligent design since you wouldn't teach anything that isn't true.

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@parados,

That is the subject of several ongoing riddles in other threads, and while I would like to be of service, we are all out of answers at the moment. We expect a new shipment in about a week.

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