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Colma California

 
 
Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 05:16 pm
Has anyone read the story about the mother who punched another shopper in the face because she asked her to please quiet her child? The mother and child were in line to check out at a Nordstrom Rack store, when the child threw a tantrum complete with eardrum busting screams. Apparently on some web sites, people are siding with the mother.

I guess my quandary is, since when did it become the norm that screaming children in stores, restaurants or any other place are tolerated while adults are the ones who can be seen but not heard.

I know that everyone who has raised children has had to deal with their children when they flip out. Every child flips out once in a while. But I still think it is rude to made everyone endure you're child screaming, or a shouting stand off between parent and child. I've left stores if my child refused to behave, and there would be a punishment for my embarrassment and the disruption caused by his bad behaviour.

I think we have all seen children allowed to wander around restaurants and bother diners. I'm sure it easier to let the kids bother other people so their parent can eat in peace, after all, the little darling get fidgety and whiny when they get bored with their dinner.

So, what's going on, does anyone believe it's an impossibility to control a 4 year old? Or is that stifling their imaginations or robbing them of their self esteem.
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chai2
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 05:20 pm
@glitterbag,

The expression "it takes a village to raise a child" only applies when you have no complaints about someones kid.

Didn't you know that glitterbag?
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PUNKEY
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 05:30 pm
The child should have been removed from the store to calm down. I know that requires you to leave your items there and probably not be able to complete your transaction, but it's important to show the child that if they are going to act like that, they do it in private (i.e. your car or outside)

I've had to do that a few times. (One was so spoiled by her grandmother who would buy her something every time they went to the store. She didn't like it when she was told it was a "looking day" only and would throw lay-down, leg flying, screaming fits when she didn't get her way. She's over 40 now.)
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Ben Grizby
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 05:43 pm
Children are our most blessed commodity and should be allowed free reign.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 05:57 pm
@Ben Grizby,
Free reign to do what?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 06:19 pm
Noisy children do not bother me. I buy kids noisy toys. But if a kid was screaming as described, the parent should - parent.
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chai2
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 06:24 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

Free reign to do what?


It's ALL about the children glitter.
contrex
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 06:33 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
the child threw a tantrum complete with eardrum busting screams.

In my day kids got a thing called a "beating" for stuff like this. A quick slap to hopefully shut them up, and if that didn't work, outside for a hail of slaps, then home to an early bedtime.

chai2
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 06:33 pm
@chai2,
Actually, reading the other posts Ben as made, I suspect he may in fact be one gustav ratzenhoffer.
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contrex
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 06:34 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

Free reign to do what?

He means free rein, or did you know that already?
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chai2
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 06:40 pm
@contrex,
contrex wrote:

glitterbag wrote:
the child threw a tantrum complete with eardrum busting screams.

In my day kids got a thing called a "beating" for stuff like this. A quick slap to hopefully shut them up, and if that didn't work, outside for a hail of slaps, then home to an early bedtime.




I don't believe a child has to be hit to learn to behave.

I remember being in a restaurant with my sister, her daughter then 3 or 4 years old, and some other people. The kid actually did less than I would have even called inappropriate, but I guess my sister knew where this was heading.
She, with no fuss took her daughter outside for a talk, and they came back in a couple of minutes. The child was a little sulky for a few minutes, but quiet. After awhile she was acting normally, and appropriately.

I knew how to behave in public at a young age too, and I was never hit.

The thing is, we were never led to believe that the world, nay, the universe revolved around us, and that we were some 2nd coming of Christ.

contrex
 
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Reply Sun 9 Nov, 2014 01:53 am
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:
I don't believe a child has to be hit to learn to behave.

Indeed not. Hitting is wrong, and does more harm than good.
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The thing is, we were never led to believe that the world, nay, the universe revolved around us, and that we were some 2nd coming of Christ.

I was brought up the old, hard, way, by exceptionally strict parents even for the time, and part of me envies modern kids for that.



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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 9 Nov, 2014 02:11 am
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We’ve all had to stand in line next to some insufferable brat of a child who won’t stop shouting out his desires for the entire world to hear. But most of us don’t have the gall to do what one Burger King customer claims to have done.

In a post on Reddit (cue the disclaimer that his entire story may be B.S., but it’s worth discussing anyway), a man claims that he was just trying to end his bad day on a good note by treating himself to some BK.

“When behind me comes this woman yapping on her cellphone with a little monster of a child,” he writes. “This kid was out of control, screaming, punching his mother throwing around a gameboy whenever something didn’t go right in the game.”

He says the mom paid more attention to her phone than to her kid, who was screaming about how much he wanted an apple pie.

The customer says his already bad headache got worse and so he asked the mother nicely to quiet her kid down.

“Immediately she gets up in my face telling me I can’t tell her nothing about raising her child and to mind my own business,” recalls the customer, who says the mom rubbed it in by calling her kid “sweety” and assuring him that he’d get his pie.

By the time the customer got to the front of the line, he says he could only think about how the loudmouthed brat and his mom had spoiled this little trip to BK.

“I then decide to ruin their day,” explains the customer who ordered all 23 pies the store had in stock.

“I take my order and walk towards the exit,” he recounts. “Moments later I hear the woman yelling, ‘What do you mean you don’t have any pies left, who bought them all?’ I turn around and see the cashier pointing me out with the woman shooting me a death glare.”


http://consumerist.com/2014/08/06/jerk-or-genius-burger-king-customers-buys-23-apple-pies-just-so-loudmouthed-kid-cant-get-one/
roger
 
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Reply Sun 9 Nov, 2014 02:15 am
@izzythepush,
I could believe all but the part about the 23 pies.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 9 Nov, 2014 03:28 am
The opening story sounds like bullsh*t to me. If the mother of the obstreperous child assaulted the other woman, she could have been arrested and had her little perisher hauled off to a child welfare agency while they photographed her, fingerprinted her and booked her. I smell a rat.
contrex
 
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Reply Sun 9 Nov, 2014 04:09 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
The opening story sounds like bullsh*t to me.

CBS News/AP November 7, 2014, 8:52 AM

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COLMA, Calif. -- A shopper at a Northern California clothing store said she was punched in the face after telling a mother to quiet down her child, who was throwing a tantrum.

Natalie Bree Hajek-Richardson told CBS SF Bay Area that she was in the checkout line of the Nordstrom Rack in Colma, Calif., when a child between the age of 4 and 6 began throwing a loud tantrum.


"It didn't bother me that the child was throwing the tantrum, but the volume was very loud, it was hurting my ears," Hajek-Richardson said.

Hajek-Richardson said she nicely asked the child's mother to quiet the child down, and was met with hostility.

"She came to the side of me and told me not to tell her child what to do. And I told her that I didn't ask your child what to do, I asked you very nicely to calm down your child just a little bit," Hajek-Richardson said.

Hajek-Richardson said she then returned the harsh words.

"I told her to go to hell and she told me I'll see you there," she said.

When Hajek-Richardson left the store, she said the mom followed her to her car.

Video shows a woman in a red shirt walking toward Hajek-Richardson, before both women fall to the asphalt. Hajek-Richardson said she was punched twice in the face.

Police told CBS SF Bay Area they were reviewing the surveillance video.
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contrex
 
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Reply Sun 9 Nov, 2014 06:25 am
I have to say, after seeing her picture, that if I had been around I would have certainly volunteered to take Ms Hajek-Richardson for a coffee and try to help her get over her very traumatic experience.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 9 Nov, 2014 08:19 am
@chai2,
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I don't believe a child has to be hit to learn to behave.

Depends on the kid. E.g. boys can be tougher to manage than girls. Some of the verbal ways i've seen parents use to deal with their unruly kids are manipulative and worse than the occasional a slap on their face.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 9 Nov, 2014 11:10 am
@contrex,
I'm sure they will find the woman who punched the other gal. She punched her so hard her gums were bruised and she may lose 3 teeth. So the lesson this Madonna taught her precious child was, if someone annoys you, it is your God given right to inflict serious damage to the one who annoyed you.

That was a serious assault, and caused significant damage. But Holy ****, don't stifle your child, allow them to morph into despicable self centered, entitled little jerks who don't think twice about anybody but number 1. This kids mother will be bailing out the indigo child soon enough, kids this special tend to become non productive adults constantly complaining that the world is against them. That's of course, if they don't wind up in jail.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 11 Nov, 2014 11:02 pm
@glitterbag,
Actually, I'm surprised whoever was at the front of the line didn't offer to let the mother of the screaming child go ahead of her, so she'd get the kid out of the store faster. That's what I think I might have done if I were on the line.

The woman should have gotten her child out of the store ASAP--possibly rapidly dropping her unpaid for items at the customer service desk, and quickly asking them to just hold them, if they were really important to her.

Other customers should not have been forced to endure her out-of-control child, nor should she have over-reacted to a request to quiet the child down. When your child is in that state, in a store or restaurant, you really have to remove them from the situation and deal with it privately, both for the child's sake, as well as for the benefit of others who are being disturbed by the child's unruliness.

I don't think the other woman made an unreasonable request. Just following that other woman to her car, let alone punching her in the face, are both very inappropriate, and the mother and child may both have serious anger management issues. In a child, that's part of their emotional and developmental immaturity. An adult has no such acceptable excuse.

There's road rage, and now there's apparently shopping rage too?

I hope they find this woman and hold her accountable for assault. She needs to learn to control herself.
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