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SHUD "SCHOOL OFFICIALS" BE DISCIPLINED??

 
 
Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2014 05:37 am

http://www.whdh.com/story/27129211/taunton-teens-suspended-over-airsoft-homecoming-photo

TAUNTON, Mass. (WHDH) - Two teens from Taunton are facing
10-day suspensions over some pictures they took before Homecoming.

The pictures in question showed the two dressed in their
Homecoming outfits holding Airsoft guns.

“It's not like it happened at school, we had the guns [at home] and
that's where the pictures were taken and they said it didn't matter,”
Jaime Pereira said. "I guess the school took that as a threat but we
didn't mean it in a threatening way."

School officials said the pictures, which were captioned “Homecoming 2014,” created a scare.

“What it's about is a couple students engaging in an activity that create a total destruction of the school day,”
Superintendent Richard W. Gross said.
[ I woud probe his definition of "total destruction". David ]

"They're juniors in High School, and it's proactive and they should know better
and it scared students." [That is probably a lie. It shud be challenged as to specifics. I wish I had him on the witness stand. David]

Jamie and her boyfriend Tito Velez said they hadn't received their discipline letters in the mail yet,
so they were still waiting to see if it was just a suspension or something else.



It is ez to get mad at our hirelings for their failure
to show proper respect for their employers (i.e., us, the public),
but the penalty that thay sought to apply was merely a vacation of 10 days.
Presumably, the students' pay will remain un-affected.

Still, the public servants show some CONFUSION qua who the boss and owner is.




David

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2014 05:52 am

Ideally, public servants, such as school administrators,
shud clearly understand that the public are their bosses
and show the proper respect for them, including the public
in those schools. To enforce employee discipline, those
public servants shud be held to account by the public
with penalties of reduction of salary, loss of vacation days, demotion, etc. for infractions.

In this case, those employees shud have known that what their
employers do OUTSIDE of the school is none of their business.





David
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2014 09:00 am
@OmSigDAVID,
These students were irresponsible and with that behavior a punishment of some sort needs to be meted out. They got off easy since it could be construed as an act of terror which could have brought them federal charges.

In this day and age, young adults of the high school age know there are consequences for actions. Further they must be aware that displaying arms in such a manner can be seen as a threat to people, especially when they decided to label their photo with mention of the Homecoming.

Moving on to your second piece of lunacy (and lunacy it most assuredly is):
Quote:
Ideally, public servants, such as school administrators,
shud clearly understand that the public are their bosses
and show the proper respect for them, including the public
in those schools. To enforce employee discipline, those
public servants shud be held to account by the public
with penalties of reduction of salary, loss of vacation days, demotion, etc. for infractions.

In this case, those employees shud have known that what their
employers do OUTSIDE of the school is none of their business.

Educators in the public school system are technically employed by the community. Of course since the educators are part of the community and contributioning, they are also self-employed to some extent.

Now, that aside, respect is a two-way street David. The students need to learn and understand respect of their peers and their elders and those in the age brackets below them. Displaying deadly firearms, firearms which have one primary purpose, that purpose being inflicting deadness, shows a lack of respect on their (the students) part. Ms.Pereira and Mr.Velez may not have meant harm, either physical or mental, they have however brought such to their community and their fellow students. May their punishment reach deep inside their souls and cause them to reflect upon how every action, every deed, should be thought through prior to enactation.

If the youths had displayed their weapons while wearing outfits other than their homecoming togs, and if they had not insisted on labeling the photos as 'Homecoming' then the school system would be in the wrong. In this case though, the school administrators have acted appropriately.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2014 09:34 am
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:
These students were irresponsible and with that behavior a punishment of some sort needs to be meted out.
Its not likely that the school was ever invested with extra-territorial jurisdiction.
In any case, from the perspective of the school,
everyone has the right to be irresponsible while not present in that school.
The point is that, as citizens, we need to keep our public servants,
well in hand. We shud REMEMBER that WE are the bosses,
not our servants. We pay them; thay don t pay us.




Sturgis wrote:
They got off easy since it could be construed as an act of terror which could have brought them federal charges.

In this day and age, young adults of the high school age know there are consequences for actions.
Further they must be aware that displaying arms [TOY GUNS. David] in such a manner can be seen
as a threat to people, especially when they decided to label their photo with mention of the Homecoming.

Moving on to your second piece of lunacy (and lunacy it most assuredly is):

DAVID wrote:
Ideally, public servants, such as school administrators,
shud clearly understand that the public are their bosses
and show the proper respect for them, including the public
in those schools. To enforce employee discipline, those
public servants shud be held to account by the public
with penalties of reduction of salary, loss of vacation days, demotion, etc. for infractions.

In this case, those employees shud have known that what their
employers do OUTSIDE of the school is none of their business.
Sturgis wrote:
Educators in the public school system are technically employed by the community.
Thay r public servants in a public school, owned by the public.


Sturgis wrote:
Of course since the educators are part of the community and contributioning, they are also self-employed to some extent.

Now, that aside, respect is a two-way street David. The students need to learn and understand respect of their peers and their elders and those in the age brackets below them. Displaying deadly firearms, firearms which have one primary purpose, that purpose being inflicting deadness, shows a lack of respect on their (the students) part. Ms.Pereira and Mr.Velez may not have meant harm, either physical or mental, they have however brought such to their community and their fellow students. May their punishment reach deep inside their souls and cause them to reflect upon how every action, every deed, should be thought through prior to enactation.
[Is that a word?? David]

Sturgis wrote:
If the youths had displayed their weapons while wearing outfits other than their homecoming togs, and if they had not insisted on labeling the photos as 'Homecoming' then the school system would be in the wrong. In this case though, the school administrators have acted appropriately.
IF thay actually BELIEVED that a threat had been manifested,
then the matter shud simply have been referred to the police.
Any court woud dismiss that as the humor that it was.
It seems very un-likely that the school has any authority
to reach into anyone 's home to govern, nor even to influence,
what occurs there. The school administrator shud be disciplined
by demotion or a reduction in salary. Make an example of them.





David
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Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2014 11:11 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Not a whole lot of info in the story. My take it was stupid and lacked judgement on the kids side of thing especially seeing there was a recent school shooting.

Whether they get suspended or not --- not really sure on that side of things as there really is not much info. But what the school should do upon immediately hearing seeing such thing - is to interview the kids and talk with their parents. As soon as they realize it is harmless, make clear communication with students/parents.

The thing is even though this is done off school grounds - it impacts the school once the picture has the word homecoming within it - the words along with dressing for homecoming links the picture with the school. So from there the school needs to be involved.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2014 11:58 am
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:
Not a whole lot of info in the story.
That was all I have.
I dunno if there is any more.



Linkat wrote:
My take it was stupid and lacked judgement on the kids side
of thing especially seeing there was a recent school shooting.
Was there a shooting in that school???
I guess thay did not expect the school to be spying on Facebook.
Altho I object to our servants getting out-of-line,
I can t really object to the results, inasmuch as
thay only gave the students a vacation.
Its not likely to be deducted from their pay!?
Thay have the opportunity to have fun n relax.
U might expect that hearing of this, ALL of the students
woud go on Facebook posing with toy guns.

When I went to school, I never got suspended (little controversy arose),
but if I had been, then I imagine that I 'd have liked the time off.
I took a lot of days off anyway.






Linkat wrote:
Whether they get suspended or not --- not really sure on that side
of things as there really is not much info. But what the school should
do upon immediately hearing seeing such thing - is to interview
the kids and talk with their parents. As soon as they realize it is
harmless, make clear communication with students/parents.
IF thay actually feel threatened, then Y not just
call the police??? That 's THEIR job.



Linkat wrote:
The thing is even though this is done off school grounds - it impacts
the school once the picture has the word homecoming within it - the
words along with dressing for homecoming links the picture with
the school. So from there the school needs to be involved.
In my opinion, thay shud have treated the situation the same as if
the posers were not members of the school.

I suspect that the school was being DISINGENUOUS qua
whether thay were being threatened with functional weapons;
it reminds me of a graduating girl in another school,
who was joining the Army after her graduation,
and she posed for a Yearbook picture on a US Army Abrams Battle Tank.
The politically correct school ostracized her, excluding her from graduation,
as if she were threatening them with that tank. Those school officials
shud have been demoted a few steps in rank.
If it had been up to me, thay woud have been.





David
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