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United nations, EU, where are you??

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2004 06:23 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Besides the UN,the US meets all of the things on your list. [..]
The UN has always had to depend on the US,so for you to say that the UN has done it all,while true,is misleading.


So lets take a step back.

The UN earlier in this thread was lambasted for letting "Rwanda" happen.

Dagmaranka pointed out that it was "the U.S. that vetoed the change in Dallaire's UN mission TWICE while he was in Rwanda screaming for help".

And now we should - what, considering the failure to act on the UN's behalf - abolish it and instead entrust these kinds of decisions to ... the US?

Face it, the US, like any other country, almost only ever intervenes if there is a strategical or economical goal to be achieved.

Thats why you need an international organisation that bundles everyone's strategic interests, so as to acquire a body that will intervene even if no narrow national interests are involved.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2004 06:36 pm
Sofia wrote:
Develop plans to bring peace, agriculture, commerce, ... to our poorest countries.


FOOD AND AGRICULTURE ORGANIZATION OF THE UNITED NATIONS: "helping to build a world without hunger"

UN International Fund for Agricultural Development: "Enabling the Rural Poor to Overcome Poverty"

United Nations Development Programme

(If the UNDP might not ring a bell, you might remember the groundbreaking, controversial Arab Human Development Report - perhaps the boldest set of criticisms and recommendations to Arab governments by Arab experts, on lagging education, lacking civil society, lacking democracy - they would never have gotten away with that if they hadnt been 'covered' by the UNDP)

Sofia wrote:
I happen to wish they would innovate, and become the world's best problem solvers, and push for world issues, such as environmental issues,


United Nations Environment Program
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2004 06:40 pm
I have to laugh. This is quite silly.

I changed my mind.

I do like the IAEA and WHO. I like UNICEF.

You're right. The ideas I have would eventually morph into what I sought to shut down. <still laughing>

Craven--
The post, where you brought three of my quotes--I meant all of them. They weren't mutually exclusive. I wanted to kill the main diplomatic entity--because I doubted it's worth. I would prefer it to innovate and address world issues with long term plans for eternal problem sites--in which case I wouldn't want to kill it.

And, I did seek to streamline overlapping agencies. However, in light of current thinking--I see that most any other org, created or changed to fill the void of a 'killed' UN, would in time, look much like the UN.

I still hope the UN will change to reflect a changed world.

And, should the US and other countries stop independant humanitarian aid and just funnel it through the UN? (Making sure all contributions are first registered as dues?)

Craven-- I think you mixed up my views about the ICC with those for the UN. I don't trust a global court system with fairness toward the US. Lack of trust re the US has never been my beef with the UN. They have always seemed like a waste, but considering the balance of UN sheltered entities--I amend my opinion.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2004 06:59 pm
Sofia wrote:
I still hope the UN will change to reflect a changed world.


That, for sure, makes two of us.

<doubting whether to add a smiling, sad or grim smiley to that :wink: >

Much can be improved <nods>

Sofia wrote:
And, should the US and other countries stop independant humanitarian aid and just funnel it through the UN? (Making sure all contributions are first registered as dues?)


Very Good Question.

I mean, the whole development aid business, in terms of competitive national enterprises, can end up literally maddening. Kosovo is the big issue? Within half a year, every single developed country has its own aid offices there, running their own school, peace and village economy projects, with everything to do with them emblazoned with their own respective little national flags, logos, etc.

Talk about duplicated efforts.

And then when Kosovo is 'out' and Afghanistan is 'in', they all pack up and move there - hey, the national governments have their PR considerations, cant be left out or behind ...

I mean, no offence, these national aid/development projects also do a lot of good. But the overhead costs that come with all the duplication and national prestige issues etc!

So - everything through the UN instead? Its a provocative idea ... Of course, it wont ever happen. But is it something to dream about?

In a way, because of all above-mentioned reasons, it is. But on the other hand, there's always going to be countries you have a special tie with, such as we have with Indonesia, that you want to help in your own way. And each country's development people have built up their own specific expertise (but those could be outsourced I guess). And the Bush government might want to run its own abstinence-oriented AIDS packages, considering thats what it considers to be right and the UN AIDS campaigns mostly focus on condoms. And sometimes, national governments' aid agencies pick up on civil society projects that are very valuable, but too small, too peripheral, too "luxury" (compared to food distribution and refugee tents) to have been picked up by the UN.

So I guess national aid/development efforts do have their own place. But yes, imho, more of their stuff - for example the basic food and shelter stuff - should be channeled through the coordinated UN efforts - that would save duplication.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2004 01:50 am
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But yes, imho, more of their stuff - for example the basic food and shelter stuff - should be channeled through the coordinated UN efforts - that would save duplication.


Yes, yes!!!

An aside: anyone an ideaa, how many of the UN-employees and civil servants are US-Americans? (40% I've read somewhere, but can't find the source.)
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steissd
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jun, 2004 11:13 am
Nimh wrote:
It was a Serbian popular insurrection that in the end brought him down.
Such an insurrection would never happen if the citizens were not made to suffer. Mr. Milosevic was a popular politician, and his nationalistic stance was shared by majority of Serbs. They were coerced to choose between ethnic pride and normal life. And they made their choice by bringing to power some regime that extradited Mr. Milosevic to the war winners' justice.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jun, 2004 07:57 pm
steissd wrote:
Nimh wrote:
It was a Serbian popular insurrection that in the end brought him down.

Such an insurrection would never happen if the citizens were not made to suffer. Mr. Milosevic was a popular politician, and his nationalistic stance was shared by majority of Serbs. They were coerced to choose between ethnic pride and normal life. And they made their choice by bringing to power some regime that extradited Mr. Milosevic to the war winners' justice.


If by "made to suffer" you mean the Kosovo war, the West going to war against Milosevic - if you're saying that the Serbs would never have insurrected if it hadnt been for that - than you're wrong, obviously. I mean, there had been massive insurrections before - like in 1996/97. Remember Zajedno, all those mass demonstrations? That was before the Kosovo war.

But you're right - Milosevic did remain popular in the countryside throughout, and by playing his democratic rivals out against each other, using the odd bit of election campaign intimidation and relying on fascist allies like Seselj, he always did manage to win a majority in the elections again.

That seems to have been the pattern - waves of urban uprising, "managed" in time by a combination of intrigue, intimidation and a vivid appeal to nationalist pride, whipped up by a new war if necessary. Worked a couple of times, but not the last time.

So why did the last uprising work? Was it because of the war? Perhaps the defeat had made the army and special troops too unreliable for Milosevic to use against the protestors, perhaps it had made his countryside supporters more passive, perhaps ... but thats all speculation.

The Serbs chose "normal life" over "ethnic pride", thats correct. One Serbia won out over the other. The Kosovo war might have just made the difference in how the struggle between these two Serbias ended up this last time round, but the struggle between those two values had played out in earlier insurrections as well.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jun, 2004 05:48 pm
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LONDON DISPATCH
Sound of Silence

by Robert Lane Greene

Only at The New Republic Online
Post date: 06.23.04
London

Recently I went to a launch event for the Arabic edition of a book called Crimes of War at a club for journalists here in London. Had a Martian attended the talks, he would have taken away the impression that the only "crimes of war" on earth are committed by Americans and Israelis. Of course, Abu Ghraib dominated the headlines at the time, so it stood to reason that the abuses by U.S. soldiers would be a major topic of discussion. But an hour and a half devoted solely to the transgressions of just two groups? Finally I raised my hand. What about the most enormous human rights and humanitarian crisis on Earth? In the Darfur region of western Sudan, government-backed Arab militias have waged a campaign of savagery for months against the region's black inhabitants. Half a million people have been uprooted, with their villages burned to the ground, and 100,000 (the lucky ones) have taken refuge across the border in Chad. Ten thousand, and perhaps far more, have been murdered outright. Rape is ubiquitous; victims are often scarred or branded to make their shame permanent. Wells are poisoned to make sure the survivors will not survive long. When those uprooted are unable to plant crops in the rainy season, which has recently begun, starvation will threaten the region's entire population of 5 million. And this is not, as the Sudanese government insists, the work of mere rogue militias; government jets have been seen strafing villages in support of the marauders.

Why, I wanted to know, had this not yet been brought up at a discussion of "crimes of war"? It's very hard for reporters to get into Darfur, explained the panel's moderator. We do have a piece on Darfur on our website, said the editor of CrimesOfWar.org. Perhaps it's the old racism at work, offered someone else; perhaps brown and black victims of war crimes count for less than white ones.

That last sentiment strikes me as only half the story. It's true that the deaths of tens of thousands of blacks in inaccessible regions of the world create far less urgency than one missing white girl in England or America. But a different kind of race-based relativism is also at work in the near-silence over Darfur. Dark-skinned victims count for less than whites, yes, but they count for less still if they are the victims of other dark-skinned people. It is often said that the reason we bombed Serbia but not Rwanda was because the victims in the Balkans were white, while the victims in Rwanda were black. But it is important to remember that the main perpetrators in the Balkans were also white (and, unlike their victims, Christian) and that the perpetrators in Rwanda were also black. You can be sure that if the Belgians or the Australians, or certainly the Americans or Israelis, were murdering, mutilating, and mass-raping tens of thousands of Africans, you wouldn't have the non-response we hear now over Darfur. Call it the "soft bigotry of low expectations."

When you compare the attention showered on various human rights problems today, it becomes clear that the world is once again judging the severity of abuses in large part by the ethnicity of their perpetrators. Not only has there been no call to arms over Sudan, there has barely been a call to anything--just 44 mentions of Darfur appeared in The New York Times' archive in the past year. It can't be simply because the victims are dark-skinned and poor, because the Times has featured 860 mentions of Abu Ghraib, where one or perhaps two people were killed and a number lightly tortured, beaten, and humiliated by Americans.

Abu Ghraib is a perfect storm for the media: Powerful Western soldiers abused and humiliated poor non-Westerners after invading their country for supposedly high-minded reasons. But when both the victims and the perpetrators are black or brown, you get the opposite: perfect calm. Thirty-four peasant farmers were massacred by left-wing guerrillas in Colombia last week. (In the distance, a cricket chirps.) And the quiet is never more deafening than when the violence is in Africa. Our low expectations of African perpetrators permits the world's worst horrors--a genocide in Rwanda (800,000 dead); a decade-long war in Congo (3 million dead); and genocide in Darfur (many thousands dead and the death toll climbing fast). Yet New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof is practically the only prominent media voice to write repeatedly about Darfur. Where are the conservatives who should say that the rights to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" are God-given and universal? Where are the liberals who should decry the racism that allows blacks to be killed with impunity?

They are not speaking up because ethnic murder in little-understood parts of the world is all too easy to describe with a sad shake of the head and something about "ancient hatreds." The United Nations defines genocide as killing "with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such." Bush administration lawyers are currently looking into whether to use the word to describe Darfur, but have so far demurred. Their failure to change policies has ugly echoes of the Clinton administration's ban on the word "genocide" during the Rwandan massacres of 1994. Both presidents understood that using the word would bind them morally to act.

Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International are desperately trying to highlight Darfur. But they are trying to gain traction in a media market far more interested in stories of wrongdoing by American troops. This is not to downplay those abuses, or to change the subject. That tactic is often used by administration apologists, and it is shameful: Americans and all other Western governments should hold themselves to the highest possible standards, regardless of what anyone else does. But leaders in America, around the rest of the world, and perhaps most abhorrently in Africa itself, seem content not to hold the Sudanese to any standard of humanity at all. If we continue to ignore genocide because we don't think Africans are capable of any better, then it will be worse than a shame. It will be a crime.

Robert Lane Greene writes for The Economist's Global Agenda.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2004 08:05 am
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
JUNE 23, 2004

A Physicians for Human Rights (PHR) field team, recently back from the Chad/Sudan border where they took eyewitness accounts of systematic killings, rapes and destroyed villages, calls for an international intervention necessary to save lives and reverse injustices labeled by PHR as indicators of genocide. In his endorsement of PHR's report, Justice Richard Goldstone, former Chief Prosecutor of the Criminal Tribunals for Rwanda and Yugoslavia said,

"After all we know and have learned from the last decade's genocides and mass atrocitiesÂ… We owe it to the victims of Darfur and potential victims to do everything we can to prevent and account for what PHR's report establishes is genocide and reverse the intolerable acts of forcing entire populations from their land, destroying their livelihood and making it virtually impossible to return."

Through testimonies by victims and eyewitnesses in Chad and Darfur, PHR has developed a list of indicators of genocide outlined and supported with testimonies in the document that show an organized intent to affect group annihilation in Darfur, Sudan that include:
1) consistent pattern of attacks on villages,
2) consistent pattern of destruction of villages,
3) consistent pattern of destruction of livelihoods and means of survival,
4) consistent pattern of hot pursuit with intent to eradicate villagers,
5) consistent pattern of targeting non-Arabs and
6) consistent pattern of systematic rape of women.

In addition to calling for a UN-backed resolution that supports a robust intervention to prevent and punish the crime of genocide, the PHR report, which is attached, includes specific recommendations directed to the Government of Sudan, the United Nations, the European Union, the African Union, the Arab League, the Organization of Islamic Conference and the United States.

Photographs, audio and video footage of the PHR investigation can be found at http://www.phrusa.org/research/sudan/

To read full report, please see attached document.

Contact: John Heffernan, [..] [email protected]


The report in question and the recommendations are also online at http://www.phrusa.org/research/sudan/
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Sofia
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2004 11:06 am
Is Africa on someone's list as a geostrategical or economically appealing area for the US? I see the charge from nimh, and others--that the US only helps where it is convenient to them.

I think it is a bit biased to submit that the US hasn't helped countries unless there is something in it for us. This is another issue that is clouded by duplication. And, it is a good reason to withdraw as a Humanitarian Leader--and let the UN make the calls and send the money. We will bear no more criticism about motives.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2004 11:16 am
There is a dillema to the "self-interest" thing that extends far beyond just the US.

I like helping people simply because I enjoy it. Is that self-interest? I don't think it's not, because like I said, I do it because I enjoy it and if I didn't enjoy it I probably would not do so.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2004 11:26 am
Sofia wrote:
Is Africa on someone's list as a geostrategical or economically appealing area for the US?


Not that I can see, alas ... apart from the countries with oil, that is.

(Bush included two countries with harsh dictatorships, but also important oil reserves, on his recent trip through the continent - which, to his credit, was the first of a US President in a long time. Such a rare Presidential visit is considered something of a reward, and he selected, alongside better choices, Gabon and ... forgot. Complimented the governments and everything. Had an article about that ... dont know if I posted it).

Sofia wrote:
I see the charge from nimh, and others--that the US only helps where it is convenient to them.

I think it is a bit biased to submit that the US hasn't helped countries unless there is something in it for us.


Hmmm ... I think Kosovo was an example of an intervention where there wasn't much "in it" for the US and it intervened anyway ... but I think its an exception. Cant think of other examples from the top of my head, in any case.

One reason it's likely an exception is because a significant part of the US electorate would not accept otherwise. For example, you yourself opposed extensive involvement in Liberia because you didnt see sufficient responsibility and/or interest for the US in the matter, and only agreed with the limited presence that there was, because of the historical US/Liberia connection/legacy.

But yes, I agree with you, in any case, that it would be good to let the UN make the calls on what is basically a question of global, ethical responsibility rather than any national interest. And send troops according to national ratio (if no country has a specific responsibility in the matter, I guess all should contribute according to size and resources).
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2004 11:38 am
nimh wrote:
Not that I can see, alas ... apart from the countries with oil, that is.

(Bush included two countries with harsh dictatorships, but also important oil reserves, on his recent trip through the continent - which, to his credit, was the first of a US President in a long time. Such a rare Presidential visit is considered something of a reward, and he selected, alongside better choices, Gabon and ... forgot. Complimented the governments and everything. Had an article about that ... dont know if I posted it).


Found the article and I didnt have it quite right. It was Gabon, Angola and Equatorial Guinea, but he didnt meet their leaders on his trip, just received them in DC (also considered something of a "reward"). This is part from that article and the link - you'll flinch at the tired-sounding "its all just about oil" bit, but do read on past that, its very interesting:

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[..] Over the past several years, Bush and his foreign policy team have done something almost no one expected when they took office--they have made Africa a priority. It would be an uplifting story, the fulfillment of countless bleeding-heart dreams, except for one thing. Africa is a Bush priority for one reason: oil.

For critics who consider President Bush's talk of global democracy a sham, and suspect it conceals a hidden agenda to control the world's supply of oil, Africa is a kind of Rosetta stone. The continent's west coast--from Nigeria in the north to Angola in the south--is America's fastest-growing source of oil and gas. Over the next decade, according to the National Intelligence Council, Africa's share of the U.S. petroleum market will rise from 15 to 25 percent. As Kansteiner has put it, "African oil has become of national strategic interest to us."

For an administration worried about the stability of longtime oil cow Saudi Arabia, West Africa is a godsend. Its oil is high-quality, easy to refine, and largely offshore, which means political unrest is less likely to disrupt production. It's half the distance from the Persian Gulf. And, because most West African oil producers don't belong to OPEC, they can pump out as much crude as they want, potentially lowering prices.

That's the good news. The bad news is that many of the regimes that control this new oil make Saudi Arabia look like Sweden. In the Middle East, the president is supposedly renouncing the decades-long bargain in which America blesses Arab dictatorships in return for their hydrocarbons. But, in West Africa, his administration is building another, equally ugly arrangement to replace it.

Last month, President José Eduardo dos Santos of Angola--Africa's second-largest oil producer--met Bush for the second time. For the leader of a midsized African country, two Oval Office visits is unusual. It's even more unusual, given that President Bush has said he will reward only those African countries that "invest in the health and education of their people. ... Corrupt regimes that give nothing to their people deserve nothing from us." That statement probably elicited a chuckle at Human Rights Watch, which estimates that, between 1997 and 2002, 9 percent of Angola's gross domestic product simply disappeared. Dos Santos's government, in other words, stole roughly as much money as it spent on health and education combined. Luckily for the Angolan leader, he has other credentials that matter in Washington: The night before his first Oval Office meeting, he was feted at a dinner sponsored by ExxonMobil and Chevron-Texaco, both of which are planning major West African expansions.

Two weeks after his meeting with dos Santos, Bush received the leader of Africa's third-largest oil producer, Omar Bongo of Gabon. In power 37 years, Bongo is the elder statesman of African tyrants. He reportedly owns more real estate in Paris than any other foreign leader, and the State Department recently said the country's "human rights record remained poor." But that doesn't seem to bother the White House. Gabon's military now receives U.S. training, and soon after his meeting with Bush, Bongo's government received its first International Monetary Fund (IMF) loan since 2002. Asked about the meeting, White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan said he didn't know if the two men discussed oil. But Bongo told the BBC the president had urged him to increase production.

Then there is Teodoro Obiang Nguema, president of tiny, oil-rich Equatorial Guinea. Obiang, who has held power for 24 years, won his last election with 97 percent of the vote, while the country's main opposition leader languished in jail. In 1998, according to the IMF, his government received $130 million in oil revenue, and Obiang simply pocketed $96 million of it. Although three of every four Equatoguineans suffer malnutrition, between 1997 and 2002, Obiang spent just over 1 percent of his budget on health, by far the lowest of the nine African countries the IMF surveyed. According to a 2002 State Department report, there is "little evidence that the country's oil wealth is being devoted to the public good."

Just months before that State Department report, the White House decided to reopen America's embassy in the capital, Malabo. It had closed in 1995, after President Clinton's ambassador criticized Obiang's repression and then found himself the subject of government death threats. But oil executives--including CMS Energy executive William McCormick, who donated $100,000 to the Bush-Cheney inaugural committee--lobbied the Bush administration to reestablish an American presence. In February 2002, Obiang triumphantly visited Washington. According to an article by Ken Silverstein in Salon, six U.S. oil companies produced a booklet for the occasion, praising him as Equatorial Guinea's "first democratically elected president."

Realists might defend the Bush administration's decision to build in Africa the kind of unholy alliances it supposedly rejects in the Middle East. After all, in the Arab world, dictatorship produces Al Qaeda. In Gabon, Angola, and Equatorial Guinea, where the populations are mostly Christian and animist, Islamists can't exploit U.S.-sponsored oppression. But, even if it isn't channeled into fundamentalism, anti-government rage will sooner or later imperil U.S. oil investments in Africa, too. And it will further degrade America's reputation as a country genuinely committed to democracy and human rights. The Bush administration [now] seems set to extend America-hatred to a new frontier.

Peter Beinart is the editor of TNR.


I read another interesting article a long while ago that showed that actually, perhaps one of the worst things to happen to a country - regarding chances of it establishing democracy, human rights, durable development - is it finding oil. Concentrated natural resources like that seem to have a track record of promoting mass (state) corruption - and dictatorships created to gain or keep control and profit of them.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2004 08:35 pm
One more, below, from TNR about Darfur - an editorial call for action.

Interesting also is how it notes that on the one hand, "The African Union and European Union are currently assembling 120 soldiers to monitor the "cease-fire" [there]" - which is something, however modest; but on the other, how China, France, the US, Russia and Pakistan all, for different reasons, have kept the UN Security Council from taking more decisive action.

The same contradiction was clear in this second piece by Robert Lane Greene on Darfur. On the one hand, there is "Mukesh Kapila, the United Nations humanitarian coordinator in Darfur, Sudan" who wastes no words warning "that what he witnessed in Darfur [..] was worse than any humanitarian crisis he has seen, with the sole exception of Rwanda--and that includes Kosovo and East Timor".

"It is not just another crisis, he says, but "the worst humanitarian and human-rights catastrophe in the world."

On the other, there is the story of how just last week, "African nations selected Sudan to serve on the U.N.'s human rights commission" and why, exactly, "just ten years removed from the Rwanda genocide, Africans [have] largely coddled a Sudanese government that seems to be sponsoring an incipient genocide".

So it's complicated. Its not that the UN, EU or AU, is bad - or even pushing this way, while other powers are pushing that way. It's that within each organisation, different actors are pulling different ways.

Anyway, here's that Editorial call for action:

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Do Something
by the Editors


Post date: 06.24.04

n March 2003, days before the United States overthrew Saddam Hussein, President Bush went on the radio to declare, "We have seen far too many instances in the past decade--from Bosnia to Rwanda to Kosovo--where the failure of the Security Council to act decisively has led to tragedy." But behind his statement lay a bitter irony. Because, even as the United States was resolving never again to stand by and allow genocide in Iraq, it was standing by and allowing genocide in Darfur, Sudan. Over the past year, as the national security rationale for the Iraq war has deteriorated, the Bush administration has turned increasingly to moral language to justify its invasion. Which makes it all the more remarkable that it has remained so passive in the face of the greatest moral emergency on earth today.

For more than a year now, in its western province of Darfur, Sudan's Arab government has been sending its bombers and arming a militia known as the Janjaweed to slaughter and ethnically cleanse black Africans from the Fur, Masalit, and Zaghawa tribes, which the government accuses of backing a rebellion. The International Crisis Group estimates the conflict has already claimed 30,000 lives and displaced 1.2 million people. And usaid Administrator Andrew S. Natsios predicts that as many as one million people could die from starvation and disease during the current rainy season if the Sudanese continue to deny relief agencies access.

So far, the United States and the world have done precious little in response. The Bush administration fears that, if it alienates the Khartoum government over Darfur, it will undermine one of its signature African achievements--the potential end to the 21-year civil war in southern Sudan. China and France have resisted a U.N. Security Council resolution demanding that Khartoum halt the violence and allow immediate humanitarian access because they have oil investments in Sudan. Russia and rotating Security Council member Pakistan, both of which are combating insurgencies, object that a resolution would infringe on Sudan's sovereignty. U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan last week agreed to visit Darfur soon but made no further commitment.

This inaction is particularly tragic because there's so much that can be done. Khartoum has yet to make good on its promise to disarm the Janjaweed, but it clearly has influence over the militia; indeed, many Janjaweed members have close ties to the Sudanese military. And the world has influence over Sudan. In 1996, for instance, Khartoum bent to international demands and expelled Osama bin Laden. In 2001, foreign pressure helped launch new peace talks in the south.

In recent weeks, the Bush administration has taken modest steps in the right direction. It has conditioned the normalization of relations with Khartoum upon an end to violence in Darfur. And it may supplement America's current sanctions against Sudan with travel and financial restrictions that target individual government officials. To make such sanctions more effective, the United States should coordinate with its European allies, the International Monetary Fund, and the World Bank.

But economic pressure isn't enough. The African Union and European Union are currently assembling 120 soldiers to monitor the "cease-fire" in Darfur--a region the size of France. That force needs to be much larger and much more aggressive. Until the violence stops and the humanitarian crisis subsides, peacekeepers should establish safe havens for displaced persons--places where aid organizations can tend to the hungry and sick, safe from attacks by Khartoum's killers.

Given our commitment in Iraq, the U.S. military is stretched too thin to provide many troops in Darfur. (And, despite all its moralistic talk, few in the Bush administration have ever shown much enthusiasm for using the U.S. military to save African lives.) But we can offer logistical and airlift support. And, if even a fraction of the 2,000 American troops currently stationed in nearby Djibouti were transferred to Darfur, they would have a dramatic psychological impact, encouraging other countries to volunteer more troops and showing Khartoum that the world's only superpower will no longer stand idly by. Remember, some 200 American ground troops helped end the violence in Liberia last summer.

As we editorialized last week ("Were We Wrong?" June 28), one of the great moral dangers of America's intervention in Iraq is that it will undermine America's ability--and its will--to prevent ethnic cleansing and mass murder in other parts of the globe. We are now confronting that danger in Darfur. If President Bush wants to show the world that his moral rhetoric was sincere in Iraq, he now has his chance, in Sudan.

the Editors
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Sofia
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jun, 2004 08:45 pm
No, Bush doesn't need to send any more money anywhere.

The world is tired of US intervention.

This is a job for the UN. If they'll just cough up the billions they stole from the OFF program, they'll have enough...

Its tiring to be criticised for everything--and expected to do everything--so we can be criticised again.

Rather be criticised for doing nothing. It not as expensive--and infuriating.

Why can't China lead this show?
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2004 04:10 am
Sofia wrote:
The world is tired of US intervention.

Tired of US interventions that were executed against the will and better judgement of the majority of the world's countries and UN Security Council states, yes. Especially if they purport to be acting in their name when in fact they're going right against what most other states consider to have been authorized. Are you surprised?

Now, what about chipping in with an intervention that is actually about a humanitarian emergency - not some 10-year old genocide that can be "repaired" post factum, but one happening right now? The EU and AU, however hesitantly, are at least starting to act - are you just going to stand by the sidelines and carp?

Sofia wrote:
This is a job for the UN. If they'll just cough up the billions they stole from the OFF program, they'll have enough...


"They" = other countries. The UN doesnt have troops of its own. Everything you don't contribute, others must. (Probably the same other countries that are already way overrepresented in the UN Peacekeeping troops already, in fact. Hint - the US isn't one of 'em.)

But then, I forget - the US cant afford it, cause they're already spending all their money on a war the others didnt want in the first place. So it's "already done enough".

Sofia wrote:
Its tiring to be criticised for everything--and expected to do everything--so we can be criticised again.


You know whats getting really tired?

People posting stuff about "where's the UN? Why doesnt it do anything? Its irrelevant! Its no good! What a scandal, they dont do anything! Cant you see theres a genocide going on? Youre just going to let that happen? That just proves how worthless you are! Its just criminal!"

And then, when the suggestion of the UN actually doing something comes up, going:

"We? Contribute? No way! Let them solve their own problems! We done enough already, what - we're already in Iraq against all of your will. What do you expect from us? You solve that genocide! Hey, we care enough to carp and lambast you all the time for not doing enough, but we're sure not going to help ourselves! Forget the Africans - you don't deserve us helping you to save them."

Its Rwanda all over again .. when the genocide is going on, you let it happen; afterwards, you happily carp about how the UN let it happen. (Hey its like Iraq actually, come to think of it. Perhaps you can start a war in Sudan in ten years' time, instead, and then claim to be undoing the UN's failure now.)

But you forget: the UN is all of us. Its failure to take action is also your failure to take action. As you have so strikingly illustrated just now.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2004 01:49 pm
nimh

Obviously we have to consider that the USA isn't a memver of the UN anymore, at least in the opinion of Sofia et. al. .
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Sofia
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2004 05:24 pm
The UN stole and subverted billions from the money paid to feed Iraqis.

That money went into UN personnel pockets, and the pockets of those we believed would act judiciously re Iraq. It perverted their role in the Iraq War.

At this point, sending them more money and allowing them to administrate it would be stupid.

In the midst of this investigation, they are not in a position to tell anyone to send them money for anything. Did you see the millions pocketed by Russia, France and others via Saddam's OFF program? And you believe we should close our eyes and send more?

After rethinking the structure of the UN in totality, I agreed that the body is needed. In its' present state, however, it is not capable of operating as usual. When the investigation is completed, and the bad actors face justice, then things may get back to normal.(Hopefully, better than normal.)

But, it is rich to see you characterize me as standing on the sidelines, carping. That is the international pasttime of most others against the US. We have stuck our money and necks out on the line more often than others. The US has LONG been a huge source of humanitarian aid across the globe. In every crisis in this world, we are either demanded to take action, or criticised for the action we take, or both.

IMO, the UN that stood for justice, now acts like a huge political party, voting their pockets. They are largely anti-American, while resting on an overwhelming dependance on America.

In a better world, I would like to hand over all Humanitarian funds to the UN and trust them to handle that huge problem altogether. But, in light of recent events, they are currently unqualified. The motives of the current crop at the UN are HIGHLY suspicious.

Walter-nimh-- The world isn't black or white. You seem to like to paint me as a one-dimensional person. The two of you seem to completely overlook the current situation-- What happened at the UN is not mere thievery-- It affected the body as a whole--their motives are in question; their political leanings, and their right to handle global funds.

It is much easier to sit and carp at the US, while expecting them to do and be all things to all people, and let the UN pervert its' purpose, with no criticism.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2004 05:27 pm
sofia, if you get the time check the amout of oil sent from Iraq thru Turkey and who received that oil (Chevron and Texaco mostly)
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Sofia
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jun, 2004 05:38 pm
That doesn't change anything.

The money went to the UN. Whoever got it, got it from them. There are levels of culpability, IMO, starting with who stole--and then descending to those who received it.

If Chevron and Exxon KNEW where Turkey got the oil, they are culpable. The possibility that US corps eventually profitted doesn't negate the crime, to me.
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