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New law OKs shooting cops: OmSig pls note

 
 
Reply Sun 19 Oct, 2014 04:56 pm
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/state-passes-law-legalize-self-defense-police/#Tcte9eMhxWgZGPm7.01

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Finally some rational legislation is passed concerning ‘public servants’ unlawfully entering another person’s property.

All too often, we see examples of cops breaking into the wrong house and shooting the family dog, or worse, killing a member of the family.

Well, Indiana has taken action to “recognize the unique character of a citizen’s home and to ensure that a citizen feels secure in his or her own home against unlawful intrusion by another individual or a public servant.”

This special amendment is no revolutionary new thought, only common sense.


Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/state-passes-law-legalize-self-defense-police/#kz37epIxKuh33zsc.99


Next time a cop comes to my front door for any reason whatsoever, I'm blowin' him/her away.
 
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sun 19 Oct, 2014 05:04 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
BUT. . .

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/radley-balko/myths-and-misconceptions-_b_1596846.html
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 19 Oct, 2014 06:16 pm
It should be okay to shoot anybody that breaks into your home, by smashing their way in by surprise. I am surprised they need a new law to state that. But, from the news stories I read, I know it's so.
roger
 
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Reply Sun 19 Oct, 2014 06:51 pm
@edgarblythe,
There seems a clear need. I hope nobody gets big ideas from some of those headlines.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 19 Oct, 2014 06:58 pm
@roger,
Just shooting a cop for no good reason is never a good reason to shoot anybody. But, shooting Trayvon Martin for no good reason was a good reason, according to some.
roger
 
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Reply Sun 19 Oct, 2014 08:06 pm
@edgarblythe,
I collapsed that thread I don't know how long ago. Is it still stumbling along?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 19 Oct, 2014 08:09 pm
@roger,
I collapsed it also.
roger
 
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Reply Sun 19 Oct, 2014 08:20 pm
@edgarblythe,
Not to drag out the dialogue, I bet it still flares up from time to time.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 19 Oct, 2014 08:23 pm
@roger,
For years, in fact.
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giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 05:41 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Quote:
Next time a cop comes to my front door for any reason whatsoever, I'm blowin' him/her away.


What an irresponsible piece of **** you are.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 06:14 pm
Lustig Andrei, don't joke. It upsets Arrow
bankruptcycenter
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 12:08 am
Yes.. there are specific laws in place to prevent gate crashing.
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 12:06 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Lustig Andrei, don't joke. It upsets Arrow


Didn't know what you were referring to at first. Then figgered it must have to do with the post above yours which I couldn't read because I have that idiot on 'ignore.' So I clicked on it and read it. You're right -- sarcasm, irony and all other kinds of humor are utterly wasted on people whose IQ is in the single digits.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 12:08 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Drunk
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carloslebaron
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 06:38 pm
@giujohn,
Quote:
Next time a cop comes to my front door for any reason whatsoever, I'm blowin' him/her away.


Quote:

What an irresponsible piece of **** you are.


Lusting Andrei might be right after all, not about shooting a cop who just came to his door, but about "shooting to kill".

The new gun laws in some States require a 4 hour class, and the applicant for license will learn what is permissible by law and what is not.

Between the questions asked in class, the trainer (teacher) answered question about "where to shoot an intruder in your house". The trainer said that the best is "shoot to kill", or not shooting at all. Because if for any reason the burglar survives, there have been cases that he sued the homeowner by the injury and ended owning the house as payment for his -lets say- disability.

Then, as you can't shoot to the air as a warning signal, and you don't want to be sued by the intruder after he got shot and survived, the best advice was "shoot to kill."

After that, "your version" is the only one and you can explain alone what happened.

Weird but that was an advice... and sadly... it makes sense.
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FBM
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 07:03 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
I know this is a different state, but it kinda looks like you can get away with it in TX, providing you're white, that is:

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Man Shoots at Intruders, Turns Out it was a No-Knock Raid. Now He Faces the Death Penalty

By Cassandra Rules on September 18, 2014

On Friday, May 9, 2014, just after 5:30am in Killeen, Texas, Marvin Louis Guy was the target of a no knock raid.

The officers were looking for drugs, yet none were found in the home. There was some questionable paraphernalia, but nothing indicative of drug dealing- or anything damning enough for a reasonable person to feel the need to take an officers life.

Unfortunately the danger of no-knock raids is real. just ask the parents of baby Bou or the family of Detective Dinwiddie.

Detective Dinwiddie was one of the SWAT officers who broke into Guy’s house on May 9th, based on a seemingly bogus informant tip off about drugs being dealt from the home.

Likely alarmed by the men climbing through his windows at 5:30 in the morning, Guy and his wife sought to protect themselves and their property and fired on the intruders- in self defense.

Dinwiddie, along with three other officers were shot while attempting to breach the windows to the home, according to the department’s press release.

“The TRU was beginning to breach the window when the 49 year old male inside, opened fire striking four officers.”
Since the shooting occurred during the break in, a reasonable person would assume they had not yet identified themselves as police officers. How on earth is this not self defense?

Prosecutors are now seeking the death penalty against Guy. He is charged with capital murder in Dinwiddie’s death, as well as three counts of attempted capital murder for firing on the other officers during the shootout, injuring one other officer. Body armor protected others who were hit.

This announcement, given by the prosecutor in open court, comes one day after Governor Rick Perry presented Dinwiddie’s family with the Star of Texas award. This award is given out each year to police and first responders killed or injured in the line of duty, the Killeen Daily Herald reported.

Let’s flash back to December, in Texas, for a moment.

On December 19, also just before 6am, Burleson County Sgt. Adam Sowders, led a team in a no-knock marijuana raid on Henry Goedrich Magee’s mobile home in Somerville.

Also startled by these intruders, Magee opened fire, fearing for the safety of himself and his then pregnant girlfriend.

Sowders was unfortunately killed among the chaos.

In February, just a few months before the fateful raid in Killeen, all charges against Magee were dropped when a Texas grand jury refused to indict, based on them believing he feared for his safety and that this was a reasonable act of self defense.

With such similar circumstances and such intensely opposite repercussions one cant help but try to find the differences.

Most obvious? Guy is black and Magee is white. Also, take note of the difference in photos used in the press.


Self defense is a right for all, and no knock raids not only pose a danger to dogs, children, and communities in general- but officers as well. Maybe its time to re-think that strategy.

We need to end the war on drugs and put an end to this violence.

Estimates show that the total number of SWAT deployments across the country has increased from a few hundred per year in the 1970s, to a few thousand per year in the 80s, and in 2010, the Washington Times reported estimates being as high as 50,000 per year.

Many of these are for nonviolent misdemeanor drug offenses, not big time drug kingpins. Should we really be risking lives of citizens and officers, over what someone chooses to put into their own body?

For more information on botched paramilitary raids, check out this shocking and interactive map from Radley Balko.



Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/prosecutor-seeking-death-penalty-officer-killed-knock-raid/#d3m2YMrOjQqT6v2C.99
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 09:54 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Quote:
All too often, we see examples of cops breaking into the wrong house and shooting the family dog, or worse, killing a member of the family.

The problem is the prevalence of SWAT raids. There is so much that can go wrong during such a raid, both for the cops and for innocent civilians, that such raids should only happen if there is something like a murder in progress. They happen far too frequently.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 09:55 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
But, shooting Trayvon Martin for no good reason was a good reason, according to some.

Self defense is hardly "no good reason".
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 09:56 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:
Not to drag out the dialogue, I bet it still flares up from time to time.

http://able2know.org/forum/trayvon_martin/
http://able2know.org/forum/george_zimmerman/

Of the four threads with more than 1,000 replies, the most recent post was September 14. I'm not sure which of those four you guys are referring to.

Of threads of any size, the most recent post was September 16.
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giujohn
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2014 03:31 pm
@FBM,
Quote:
providing you're white, that is:


What a racisit you are.
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