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When is a mutt not a mutt?

 
 
Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2014 08:11 pm
About a month ago I transferred my puppy over to my regular vet. One of the women in the office freaked out over her. She said that she had once worked with sled dogs in Alaska and my dog was a specific, and highly prized, variety of sled dog. She said next time I came in she'd have some information for me.

Then yesterday we were at the dog park and a woman swooned asking who owned the "Chinook". Nobody responded because nobody had a Chinook (or had even heard of one). It turns out she was talking about my mutt.

When I got home I looked up Chinooks and I'll be damned if my dog isn't EXACTLY like one. I mean exactly. Chinook's were once listed in the Guinness Book of World Records as the rarest dog in the world.

I don't have a current photo of my dog but I swear she looks exactly like the one on the AKC website:

http://images.akc.org/breeds/chinook/lg_artwork.jpg

According to the AKC website:

Quote:
It was developed by Polar Explorer Arthur Treadwell Walden during the early 1900's by blending a Mastiff type dog with Greenland Husky as well as German and Belgian Shepherds.


Doesn't mixing all those breeds together make a dog a mutt?

How does a mutt become a recognized breed?
 
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2014 08:29 pm
@boomerang,
The AKC and other national equivalents have very specific protocols on how mutts become breeds.

Our new(er) rescue girl is a Papitzu. Papitzu are on the designer dog registry Laughing , but aren't AKC/CKC etc acknowledged yet. Maybe they will be one day.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2014 08:30 pm
I've no idea re your question but what a beautiful dog. Woof!
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Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2014 08:32 pm
@boomerang,
A Mutt is a Mongrel over here in the UK. In France it is often referred to as a Poubelle Royale (a royal dustbin/garbage bin).

As far as I am aware, a recognised breed is one which remains pretty true to the 'engineered' type, generation after generation.
And, as far as I am aware, the Greyhound is the only type of domesticated dog that has not been engineered by humans.
According to a study my son read when he was writing a thing on genetics, the greyhound has always been the greyhound as we know it, and was domesticated as such.
It is now found in many breeds of dog, purely because of the 'speed' element which it brings to the mix.
A greyhound/mastiff mix became the Great Dane, for instance. Power and speed.


For Golden Retriever, read here:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/13/article-2391957-1B45FDB6000005DC-194_964x635.jpg
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2391957/101-dalmatians-Theyve-got-222-golden-retrievers-gather-outside-Highland-house-originate.html


It would seem that your 'Mutt' is either a coincidental accident, or is indeed a Chinook. If you know the parent dog or dogs and they were something else, then it points to coincidental.



Nice looking dog, btw.
https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogbreeds/chinook.jpg
Chinooks.
boomerang
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2014 08:35 pm
@ehBeth,
My neighborhood is full of designer dogs that end in the suffix -oodle!

I'm a mutt lover. When people ask me what my dogs are I say "good ones".

I guess I'll have to read up on breeding protocols. It just seems strange to me that certain mixes get noticed and noted.

I'm guessing a Papitzu is a Papillon and Shish Tzu mix? How adorable must s/he be!!
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2014 08:37 pm
@boomerang,
Bella is a tiny rock star - looks like a miniature Cavalier King Charles Spaniel - with an underbite (which is true to errrr breed).

ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2014 08:39 pm
@boomerang,
Set tells people that our dogs are purebred affection hounds Very Happy
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2014 08:51 pm
@ehBeth,
Over here, we have Cockerpoo, Sprocker spaniel and Labradoodle all being considered for 'breed' status. I think the Labradoodle may have got it by now. It was Bred originally for guide dog use for blind people who had fur allergy.

The Sprocker (springer/cocker) is one being developed by the Police as a specialised sniffer dog at the moment, as one brings an exceptionally keen nose and the other a non stop work mentality.
http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/csimages/images/Pups%20in%20hats%20final%20DO%20NOT%20EMAIL.jpg
Story:
http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/latest-news/news.aspx?id=1725


The cockerpoo (cocker/poodle) is usually just a cute ball of fluff that belts around everywhere, making everyone laugh.
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2014 09:08 pm
How To Build a Dog......


http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2012/02/build-a-dog/ratliff-text

Snippet:
"Scientists have found the secret recipe behind the spectacular variety of dog shapes and sizes, and it could help unravel the complexity of human genetic disease......"
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2014 09:09 pm
@ehBeth,
I have posted this too often but really ... she's cute

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/1001474_10151491228040770_1347598267_n.jpg?oh=f3cb619cd5335558064bbbffb618a116&oe=54C5A9EB&__gda__=1422469527_488240d1462f311c3714171924e5d440

and truly joyful

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/1002993_10151491223460770_1268086070_n.jpg?oh=6e509f4f86433a30b9bd01002d6c2cb4&oe=548AD8F8&__gda__=1418695556_83b15ff29e7ed8b733940d21be17a798

and a good snuggler with our very old boy (who hasn't been able to get up on that sofa for months now Sad )

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/1924995_10151948392385770_2078607666_n.jpg?oh=6b7a02d4f5167926017d601f5fb069a9&oe=5484B133&__gda__=1421858109_47a578038cf246b977695ecd62c042c5
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2014 09:32 pm
@ehBeth,
She's a beauty!

If you ever find a male dog with markings like that, will you promise to call it Bandit?
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2014 11:00 pm
@Lordyaswas,
Ha! If i had had the naming of Bella, that's just exactly what i would have called her, and have said so for the slightly more than a year that we've had her.
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jespah
 
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Reply Wed 24 Sep, 2014 07:04 am
@Lordyaswas,
Yep, it's all about "breeding true" for whatever the specified # of generations is.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Wed 24 Sep, 2014 07:29 am
@Lordyaswas,
Clearly I was born into the wrong life. I should have been a posh English lass who, when I said I had 122 dogs people just responded with "How lovely, dear."
boomerang
 
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Reply Wed 24 Sep, 2014 07:30 am
@Lordyaswas,
Just look at all those darlings! I want a sprocker NOW!
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boomerang
 
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Reply Wed 24 Sep, 2014 07:31 am
@ehBeth,
What a gorgeous pup, ehBeth!

And that young one is cute too.
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Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Wed 24 Sep, 2014 07:51 am
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:

Clearly I was born into the wrong life. I should have been a posh English lass who, when I said I had 122 dogs people just responded with "How lovely, dear."


You have to be pretty fit to be a posh English lass, Boom, as they get you doing things like....oh, I don't know, being hunted down by a pack of 31 bloodhounds?


YIKES!

boomerang
 
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Reply Wed 24 Sep, 2014 08:36 am
@Lordyaswas,
I think I'll be the posh lass on horseback!
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boomerang
 
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Reply Wed 24 Sep, 2014 10:58 am
There was a great article in Esquire a month or so ago about mutts: http://www.esquire.com/features/american-dog-0814
Quote:

The pit bull is not a breed but a conglomeration of traits, and those traits are reshaping what we think of as the American dog, which is to say the American mutt. A few generations ago, the typical mutt was a rangy dog with a long snout and pricked ears—a shepherd mix. Now it looks like a pit bull.
room109
 
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Reply Wed 24 Sep, 2014 11:05 am
@boomerang,
accoring to the defintion of some source it cesaes to be a mutt as soon as you define the orgins of the biological entinty
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