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Russians are playing with fire

 
 
Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2014 12:47 pm
They're sending nuclear planes closer to the US border. They're playing a provocative game of chicken. Too bad Putin is so stupid as to think Russia can defeat the US and our allies in any war. Moscow can be wiped off the map much quicker than Putin can say 'NO.'

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-nuclear-bombers-keep-roaming-closer-u-airspace-145055700.html
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2014 12:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Doubtful. Putin is once again making the point that we fucked up by treating Russia like an irrelevant third world nation. It is respect he is after, not war. One would have thought we might have learned this lesson after our mistake with the Chinese, but no.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2014 01:01 pm
Quote:
Article quote: Russian nuclear bombers were spotted flying near Alaska this week. The bombers were escorted by fighter jets, floating just outside of U.S. and Canadian airspace. This is the second such sighting since June, sparking the attention of American military jets.

Gosh I bet Sarah Palin could see them from her home!
Putin better not mess with her when she becomes President..Smile

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Sarah-PalinB_zpsb4c0bbbc.jpg~original
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2014 01:22 pm
@hawkeye10,
Russia become more irrelevant to the US as they become more aggressive.
Putin cannot win that 'war.'
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2014 01:28 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Russia become more irrelevant to the US as they become more aggressive.
Putin cannot win that 'war.'
and yet Russia continues to get more and more of our attention.

I dont think " irrelevant" means what you think it means.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2014 01:32 pm
@hawkeye10,
More and more of that attention is increased sanctions that hurts the Russian people more than it does Putin. Tyrants don't suffer the consequences of their actions.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2014 01:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

More and more of that attention is increased sanctions that hurts the Russian people more than it does Putin. Tyrants don't suffer the consequences of their actions.

American poultry producers are scrambling to find buyers for tons of chicken which are in the pipeline, which were supposed to go to Russia, just as one example of how the pain spreads.

Quote:
Tom Hensley, president of Baldwin-based Fieldale Farms in northeast Georgia, said the thousands of metric tons of dark meat leg quarters that make up of the largest share of poultry exports to Russia will now have to be consumed in the U.S., and that will drive prices lower.
Producers, on the other hand, will feel the pinch.
“It’s going to have an impact on us of several hundred thousand dollars, and the industry [impact] will be in the millions of dollars. So it’s going to hurt, not doubt about it,” Hensley said

http://www.ajc.com/news/business/russia-sanctions-could-cut-chicken-prices-here/ngxcM/
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2014 01:46 pm
@hawkeye10,
As a tangent: every single journalism account of the recent Putin move fails to point out that the prime driver of the sanctions is Putins desire to protect foreign currency reserves as the sanctions bite. The people will suffer so that the government maintains enough cash to buy critical supplies, which will often be military related. If anyone has looked at Putin's approval ratings they will see that the Russian people will be happy to do this, at least for awhile. A lot of these people remember the fall of the empire and the years after, they can manage a scarcity of consumer goods. I would be shocked if the Chinese have not promised to sell enough food to Russia so that people dont starve.

Last week Obama mocked " the russians dont make anything". This makes me think Obama calculated that sanctions would rapidly bankrupt Russia. As per usual he miscalculated.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2014 01:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
The Russians are free to support Putin as much as they want - at the expense of everything in their country becoming more expensive and restrictive.

That's also what's happening in the US by the GOP's non-governance for the people at the federal and state levels.

TNCFS
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2014 01:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
These latest developments make it more likely that Russia will take Ukraine rather than less, as while the Ukraine has done an abysmal job of managing their ag industry it could be brought back and made to feed Russia. I said earlier that Putin had no interest in taking Ukraine, but we have driven him to seriously consider it I think. It all depends upon what the Chinese would do under demands from the West to cut off Russian trade. The West is betting that China can not afford to not comply with the demand but I am not so sure.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2014 01:59 pm
@hawkeye10,
That you deem that the Ukrainians have done a poor job at ag, you suffer from myopia. That's no excuse for Putin's aggression against a sovereign country.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2014 02:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

That you deem that the Ukrainians have done a poor job at ag, you suffer from myopia. That's no excuse for Putin's aggression against a sovereign country.
we could say that about US actions against sovereign nations 50 times over. Your hypocrisy reaks.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2014 02:28 pm
@hawkeye10,
I have just spent 30 minutes reading through the web for answers to the question " what does Putin want"......no answers, but alarmingly Merkel ( a skilled politician who understands some Russian psychology and a person who has had a lot of dealings with Putin) now says that as near as she can make out Putin has gone insane. If she is right then this is bad for obvious reasons, if she is wrong then that means that Putin is playing a game that we dont understand which means that we have a poor chance of winning it.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2014 02:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
So that means that American families will benefit from cheaper food prices, and that's a good thing. Too bad about a handful of poultry producers in north Georgia, but hey, the greatest good for the greatest number.

You know, Whackeye, the Russians will pay you to puke up their propaganda online--you don't have to do it for free.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2014 03:00 pm
@Setanta,
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So that means that American families will benefit from cheaper food prices, and that's a good thing
the Russians have been buying dark meat, that is what remains after the Americans take breasts for our meals and then the white meat scraps for our chicken nuggets. Americans dont generally eat dark meat, though I have noticed that where I live the teriyaki joints use thigh meat.

For decades the dark meat has been dumped overseas. We will have to see where the Russian portion goes now.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2014 04:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
I have no reason to take your statements from authority, because i don't consider you an authority on anything, Jointed chicken leg quarter packs are common in supermarkets.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 10 Aug, 2014 03:52 am
@cicerone imposter,
I don't think it's any hotter now than at during the Cold War. Putin is not an ideologue, willing to suffer the worst to spread his ideology around the World. He's an authoritarian who has used his power to enrich himself. That is his number one priority.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 10 Aug, 2014 04:25 am
@izzythepush,
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He's an authoritarian who has used his power to enrich himself. That is his number one priority.
as always u have no ******* clue...Putin does not give a damn about grabbing wealth for himself, he is a true believer in the Russian empire.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 10 Aug, 2014 04:36 am

Mr. Obama is doing a really nice job of revamping the US nuclear arsenal.

He is planning a new series of weapons that will be called Interoperable Warheads (so named because they can function on either an ICBM or SLBM without modification).


IW-1 will have a yield of 455 kilotons. It will be based on the W78 used in the 3-warhead MIRV from the Minuteman 3, but with an upgraded secondary for a higher yield. The UK plans to deploy the IW-1 on their SLBMs as well.

IW-2 will also have a yield of 455 kilotons. It will be based on the W87-1 that was designed for the canceled midgetman road-mobile ICBM. This will provide the US with two independent designs for a half-megaton ballistic warhead.

IW-3 will have a yield of 100 kilotons, and will be based on the W76 warhead currently used on many of our SLBMs. Clearly not as much punch as the other two designs, but a good fallback if we should happen to have a critical flaw in both of the larger designs.


Mr. Obama is also planning to bring a "usable" tactical nuke back to European soil for the first time since the end of the Cold War:
http://fas.org/blogs/security/2014/01/b61capability/
http://fas.org/blogs/security/2014/02/b61-12pictures/
http://fas.org/blogs/security/2014/03/b61-12integration/
http://fas.org/blogs/security/2014/04/b61-12features/
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 10 Aug, 2014 04:50 am
@oralloy,
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IW-1 will have a yield of 455 kiloton....


Jesus christ, not you too, another inhabitant of fantasyland. The way Obama is gutting the defense budget " will" is actually "would" which is actually " when Hell freezes over would"........there is no money to make the plan happen ( see the plan to sent men to mars for illustration).
 

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