Football ("soccer") is a sign of U.S.A.’s moral decay

@ossobuco,

Whatever CI's personality may be in or outside of this forum, Advocate is not being inaccurate when he writes that CI has referred to him more than once as "that Jew."

I'll leave it to you to determine if that is offensive, anti-Semetic, or peppery.

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@Advocate,

Perhaps you might consider taking your personal grudge elsewhere? This is a thread about Soccer. Besides, your credibility wanes mightily when you attempt to tear CI's character down just because you happen to disagree with his POV.

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@Ragman,

Well, it's also a thread about Ann Coulter and, like most threads, it has developed tributaries. There is at least one other thread (and probably more) that is more truly devoted to Soccer.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

I dunno, maybe you're right. He has likely been called 'that Jap' many times in his early life. He's older than me (even) and I remember defending my japanese friends to my anti-jap aunt, when we were just past living in her house (I met many people different from me just after that and my opinions rumbled for years later).

But even if he said that, I take him as not scourging all people of jewish heritage, just one rather virulent one.

- I used scourging with intent, but only humorous intent. Bad woman.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Tributaries, good visualization of what happens.

Meantime, off to the football threads.

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@ossobuco,

I am right.

Whatever leeway you give him is up to you.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

I have never seen CI use that expression, but have seen Advocate call CI a "Japanese slimeball". Advocate is clearly a racist based on his behaviour on the "white victims of black crimes" thread, so I would take any thing he says about the topic with a lot of salt.

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@Ragman,

Ragman wrote:

Perhaps you might consider taking your personal grudge elsewhere? This is a thread about Soccer. Besides, your credibility wanes mightily when you attempt to tear CI's character down just because you happen to disagree with his POV.

I don't mind CI disagreeing with me. However, I do mind his unrelenting lies about Israel and its people, and his personal attacks on me.

Regarding this thread, I don't recall how we got away from soccer.

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Meantime, Cicerone Imposter is US american. Me too, I'm born of a confused american irish couple in Los Angeles in the very early forties, who married in 1935. (I assume they overlooked all their differences, in the mistiness.)

So............. how are the irish with football?

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@Olivier5,

I have and it resulted in an exchange between he and I which is why I remember it. You can take that with as much or as little salt as you would like.

Obviously I'm not defending Advocate's comment about CI. You'll note I brought his hypocrisy to his attention.

I'm merely pointing out that despite all the testimonials for CI, and regardless of Advocate's character, he is not being inaccurate in saying that CI has referred to him as "that Jew."

It is only of any interest to me in terms of the apparent leeway provided "friends" who make remarks that would otherwise be condemned as offensive.

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

Doubtlessly, he is a Japanese slimeball.

No need to check out Pamela Rosa's thread for an example of Advocate's racism.

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Natters: do irish do football?

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@Advocate,

FWIW, I'm a Jew. Furthermore, call me 'that Jew' and see whether or not I care. Why would I care if someone did?! However, if you call someone
'Japanese slimeball' - now you are engaging in racist screed.

While, I don't agree with CI's views I've read in the past on Israel, I'm not ruffled about it..and I refuse to engage in ad hominem attacks. I distinguish between being critical of Israel and Israeli gov't policies and being critical of Jews, Jewish religion or Jews in general. Being critical of Israeli policy doesn't make him anti-Jewish (note that I didn't refer to anti-Semitism which is a misleading term).

I respect CI, and if he doesn't agree with me, he certainly can express himself however he feels without rancor or attacks on his heritage. Why do you engage is such a manner? Are you that thin-skinned or in need of anger management?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Quote:

I have and it resulted in an exchange between he and I which is why I remember it.

Do you remember the thread? Can you point to the message perhaps? Context is important.

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@Ragman,

Yes to all you said.

I do take it that Advocate takes present policies of the Israeli government as a test of semiticism or antisemicism.

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@Ragman,

Ragman wrote:

FWIW, I'm a Jew. Furthermore, call me 'that Jew' and see whether or not I care. Why would I care if someone did?! However, if you call someone
'Japanese slimeball' - now you are engaging in racist screed.

While, I don't agree with CI's views I've read in the past on Israel, I'm not ruffled about it..and I refuse to engage in ad hominem attacks. I distinguish between being critical of Israel and Israeli gov't policies and being critical of Jews, Jewish religion or Jews in general. Being critical of Israeli policy doesn't make him anti-Jewish (note that I didn't refer to anti-Semitism which is a misleading term).

I respect CI, and if he doesn't agree with me, he certainly can express himself however he feels without rancor or attacks on his heritage. Why do you engage is such a manner? Are you that thin-skinned or in need of anger management?

CI didn't just call me a Jew. He referred to me, for instance, as "Jewish ignoramus." Moreover, he did this type of thing numerous times. It was only then that I began referring to him as "Japanese slimeball." Under your logic, his referring to me as "Jewish this or that, would be racist.

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

Ragman wrote:

FWIW, I'm a Jew. Furthermore, call me 'that Jew' and see whether or not I care. Why would I care if someone did?! However, if you call someone
'Japanese slimeball' - now you are engaging in racist screed.

While, I don't agree with CI's views I've read in the past on Israel, I'm not ruffled about it..and I refuse to engage in ad hominem attacks. I distinguish between being critical of Israel and Israeli gov't policies and being critical of Jews, Jewish religion or Jews in general. Being critical of Israeli policy doesn't make him anti-Jewish (note that I didn't refer to anti-Semitism which is a misleading term).

I respect CI, and if he doesn't agree with me, he certainly can express himself however he feels without rancor or attacks on his heritage. Why do you engage is such a manner? Are you that thin-skinned or in need of anger management?

CI didn't just call me a Jew. He referred to me, for instance, as "Jewish ignoramus." Moreover, he did this type of thing numerous times. It was only then that I began referring to him as "Japanese slimeball." Under your logic, his referring to me as "Jewish this or that, would be racist.

This is a personal fight. He obviously refers to Advocate that way, because he wears his Jewishness like Don Quixote's armor. If CI went around denouncing all Jews, it would be a whole nother matter.

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Sorry, that made me laugh.

We all get called ingnoramouses, sometimes for good reason.

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@edgarblythe,

true

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@Olivier5,

I'm afraid not.

I don't wish to become involved in a discussion of CI's character. I only brought it up because some folks were doubting the veracity of Advocate's claim, and while I am hardly in league with him on anything, in this matter he was accurate. As I wrote to him, earlier in this thread, I confronted CI at the time because I too was convinced he meant it as a slur.

The thread is out there somewhere if anyone continues to doubt me or Advocate. I'm finished with the subject though.

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