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is Reincarnations theory true ??

 
 
Wilso
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2014 04:32 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Quehoniaomath wrote:

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In science, it doesn't get named a theory, unless it is true.


lol, lol, lol

completely wrong!
It is called a theory if it can fool people!!!


Hilarious this one! And extremely naive!


Then test the theory of gravity by walking off a cliff you stupid fucktard.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2014 04:36 am
@Wilso,
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Then test the theory of gravity by walking off a cliff you stupid fucktard.


O here we go again with these children!
The theory of gravity is wrong, very very wrong.
That doesn''t mean things don't fall!
Apply some critical thinking next time thank you.
Wilso
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2014 04:43 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Quehoniaomath wrote:

Quote:
Then test the theory of gravity by walking off a cliff you stupid fucktard.


O here we go again with these children!
The theory of gravity is wrong, very very wrong.
That doesn''t mean things don't fall!
Apply some crtical thinking next time thank you.


Waiting for your Nobel Prize winning research.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2014 06:19 am
The reincarnation thing is a crock for the simple reason that when the sun turns into a red giant and gobbles up the earth millions of years from now, there'll be nowhere to reincarnate back to unless they get reincarnated on other planets as Klingons, Romulans and Vulcans etc..Smile

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/sun-redgiant_zpse1bff226.jpg~original
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2014 06:45 am
@boomerang,
http://thehappyscientist.com/science-experiment/gravity-theory-or-law/

Is Gravity a Theory or a Law?

This week's experiment comes from a recent question, wanting to know whether gravity is a law or a theory. That question brings up so many more questions that I thought it would be fun to explore. To try this, you will need:

- an object to drop.

OK, pick an object that will not break, dent the floor, cause a mess, or get either of us in trouble. Hold it out in front of you and release it. What happens? It falls, of course. The gravitational attraction between the Earth and the object pulls it towards the ground. But, when we do this experiment, should we be talking about the Law of Gravity or the Theory of Gravity?

Actually, we should be talking about both. To understand why, we need to understand the scientific meaning of the words "law" and "theory."

In the language of science, the word "law" describes an analytic statement. It gives us a formula that tells us what things will do. For example, Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation tells us that "Every point mass attracts every single point mass by a force pointing along the line intersecting both points. The force is directly proportional to the product of the two masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the point masses." That formula will let us calculate the gravitational pull between the Earth and the object you dropped, between the Sun and Mars, or between me and a bowl of ice cream.

We can use Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation to calculate how strong the gravitational pull is between the Earth and the object you dropped, which would let us calculate its acceleration as it falls, how long it will take to hit the ground, how fast it would be going at impact, how much energy it will take to pick it up again, etc.

While the law lets us calculate quite a bit about what happens, notice that it does not tell us anything about why it happens. That is what theories are for. In the language of science, the word "theory" is used to describe an explanation of why and how things happen. For gravity, we use Einstein's Theory of General Relativity to explain why things fall.

A theory starts as one or more hypotheses, untested ideas about why something happens. For example, I might propose a hypothesis that the object that you released fell because it was pulled by the Earth's magnetic field. Once we started testing, it would not take long to find out that my hypothesis was not supported by the evidence. Non-magnetic objects fall at the same rate as magnetic objects. Because it was not supported by the evidence, my hypothesis does not gain the status of being a theory. To become a scientific theory, an idea must be thoroughly tested, and must be an accurate and predictive description of the natural world.

While laws rarely change, theories change frequently as new evidence is discovered. Instead of being discarded due to new evidence, theories are often revised to include the new evidence in their explanation. The Theory of General Relativity has adapted as new technologies and new evidence have expanded our view of the universe.

So when we are scientifically discussing gravity, we can talk about the law that describes the attraction between two objects, and we can also talk about the theory that describes why the objects attract each other.

Have a wonder-filled week.



Evolution is a Fact and a Theory
by Laurence Moran
Copyright © 1993-2002
[Last Update: January 22, 1993]


http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

When non-biologists talk about biological evolution they often confuse two different aspects of the definition. On the one hand there is the question of whether or not modern organisms have evolved from older ancestral organisms or whether modern species are continuing to change over time. On the other hand there are questions about the mechanism of the observed changes... how did evolution occur? Biologists consider the existence of biological evolution to be a fact. It can be demonstrated today and the historical evidence for its occurrence in the past is overwhelming. However, biologists readily admit that they are less certain of the exact mechanism of evolution; there are several theories of the mechanism of evolution. Stephen J. Gould has put this as well as anyone else:

In the American vernacular, "theory" often means "imperfect fact"--part of a hierarchy of confidence running downhill from fact to theory to hypothesis to guess. Thus the power of the creationist argument: evolution is "only" a theory and intense debate now rages about many aspects of the theory. If evolution is worse than a fact, and scientists can't even make up their minds about the theory, then what confidence can we have in it? Indeed, President Reagan echoed this argument before an evangelical group in Dallas when he said (in what I devoutly hope was campaign rhetoric): "Well, it is a theory. It is a scientific theory only, and it has in recent years been challenged in the world of science--that is, not believed in the scientific community to be as infallible as it once was."

Well evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.

Moreover, "fact" doesn't mean "absolute certainty"; there ain't no such animal in an exciting and complex world. The final proofs of logic and mathematics flow deductively from stated premises and achieve certainty only because they are not about the empirical world. Evolutionists make no claim for perpetual truth, though creationists often do (and then attack us falsely for a style of argument that they themselves favor). In science "fact" can only mean "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional consent." I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms.

Evolutionists have been very clear about this distinction of fact and theory from the very beginning, if only because we have always acknowledged how far we are from completely understanding the mechanisms (theory) by which evolution (fact) occurred. Darwin continually emphasized the difference between his two great and separate accomplishments: establishing the fact of evolution, and proposing a theory--natural selection--to explain the mechanism of evolution.

- Stephen J. Gould, " Evolution as Fact and Theory"; Discover, May 1981

Gould is stating the prevailing view of the scientific community. In other words, the experts on evolution consider it to be a fact. This is not an idea that originated with Gould as the following quotations indicate:

Let me try to make crystal clear what is established beyond reasonable doubt, and what needs further study, about evolution. Evolution as a process that has always gone on in the history of the earth can be doubted only by those who are ignorant of the evidence or are resistant to evidence, owing to emotional blocks or to plain bigotry. By contrast, the mechanisms that bring evolution about certainly need study and clarification. There are no alternatives to evolution as history that can withstand critical examination. Yet we are constantly learning new and important facts about evolutionary mechanisms.

- Theodosius Dobzhansky "Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution", American Biology Teacher vol. 35 (March 1973) reprinted in Evolution versus Creationism, J. Peter Zetterberg ed., ORYX Press, Phoenix AZ 1983

Also:

It is time for students of the evolutionary process, especially those who have been misquoted and used by the creationists, to state clearly that evolution is a fact, not theory, and that what is at issue within biology are questions of details of the process and the relative importance of different mechanisms of evolution. It is a fact that the earth with liquid water, is more than 3.6 billion years old. It is a fact that cellular life has been around for at least half of that period and that organized multicellular life is at least 800 million years old. It is a fact that major life forms now on earth were not at all represented in the past. There were no birds or mammals 250 million years ago. It is a fact that major life forms of the past are no longer living. There used to be dinosaurs and Pithecanthropus, and there are none now. It is a fact that all living forms come from previous living forms. Therefore, all present forms of life arose from ancestral forms that were different. Birds arose from nonbirds and humans from nonhumans. No person who pretends to any understanding of the natural world can deny these facts any more than she or he can deny that the earth is round, rotates on its axis, and revolves around the sun.

The controversies about evolution lie in the realm of the relative importance of various forces in molding evolution.

- R. C. Lewontin "Evolution/Creation Debate: A Time for Truth" Bioscience 31, 559 (1981) reprinted in Evolution versus Creationism, op cit.

This concept is also explained in introductory biology books that are used in colleges and universities (and in some of the better high schools). For example, in some of the best such textbooks we find:

Today, nearly all biologists acknowledge that evolution is a fact. The term theory is no longer appropriate except when referring to the various models that attempt to explain how life evolves... it is important to understand that the current questions about how life evolves in no way implies any disagreement over the fact of evolution.

- Neil A. Campbell, Biology 2nd ed., 1990, Benjamin/Cummings, p. 434

Also:

Since Darwin's time, massive additional evidence has accumulated supporting the fact of evolution--that all living organisms present on earth today have arisen from earlier forms in the course of earth's long history. Indeed, all of modern biology is an affirmation of this relatedness of the many species of living things and of their gradual divergence from one another over the course of time. Since the publication of The Origin of Species, the important question, scientifically speaking, about evolution has not been whether it has taken place. That is no longer an issue among the vast majority of modern biologists. Today, the central and still fascinating questions for biologists concern the mechanisms by which evolution occurs.

- Helena Curtis and N. Sue Barnes, Biology 5th ed. 1989, Worth Publishers, p. 972

One of the best introductory books on evolution (as opposed to introductory biology) is that by Douglas J. Futuyma, and he makes the following comment:

A few words need to be said about the "theory of evolution," which most people take to mean the proposition that organisms have evolved from common ancestors. In everyday speech, "theory" often means a hypothesis or even a mere speculation. But in science, "theory" means "a statement of what are held to be the general laws, principles, or causes of something known or observed." as the Oxford English Dictionary defines it. The theory of evolution is a body of interconnected statements about natural selection and the other processes that are thought to cause evolution, just as the atomic theory of chemistry and the Newtonian theory of mechanics are bodies of statements that describe causes of chemical and physical phenomena. In contrast, the statement that organisms have descended with modifications from common ancestors--the historical reality of evolution--is not a theory. It is a fact, as fully as the fact of the earth's revolution about the sun. Like the heliocentric solar system, evolution began as a hypothesis, and achieved "facthood" as the evidence in its favor became so strong that no knowledgeable and unbiased person could deny its reality. No biologist today would think of submitting a paper entitled "New evidence for evolution;" it simply has not been an issue for a century.

- Douglas J. Futuyma, Evolutionary Biology, 2nd ed., 1986, Sinauer Associates, p. 15

There are readers of these newsgroups who reject evolution for religious reasons. In general these readers oppose both the fact of evolution and theories of mechanisms, although some anti-evolutionists have come to realize that there is a difference between the two concepts. That is why we see some leading anti-evolutionists admitting to the fact of "microevolution"--they know that evolution can be demonstrated. These readers will not be convinced of the "facthood" of (macro)evolution by any logical argument and it is a waste of time to make the attempt. The best that we can hope for is that they understand the argument that they oppose. Even this simple hope is rarely fulfilled.

There are some readers who are not anti-evolutionist but still claim that evolution is "only" a theory which can't be proven. This group needs to distinguish between the fact that evolution occurs and the theory of the mechanism of evolution.

We also need to distinguish between facts that are easy to demonstrate and those that are more circumstantial. Examples of evolution that are readily apparent include the fact that modern populations are evolving and the fact that two closely related species share a common ancestor. The evidence that Homo sapiens and chimpanzees share a recent common ancestor falls into this category. There is so much evidence in support of this aspect of primate evolution that it qualifies as a fact by any common definition of the word "fact."

In other cases the available evidence is less strong. For example, the relationships of some of the major phyla are still being worked out. Also, the statement that all organisms have descended from a single common ancestor is strongly supported by the available evidence, and there is no opposing evidence. However, it is not yet appropriate to call this a "fact" since there are reasonable alternatives.

Finally, there is an epistemological argument against evolution as fact. Some readers of these newsgroups point out that nothing in science can ever be "proven" and this includes evolution. According to this argument, the probability that evolution is the correct explanation of life as we know it may approach 99.9999...9% but it will never be 100%. Thus evolution cannot be a fact. This kind of argument might be appropriate in a philosophy class (it is essentially correct) but it won't do in the real world. A "fact," as Stephen J. Gould pointed out (see above), means something that is so highly probable that it would be silly not to accept it. This point has also been made by others who contest the nit-picking epistemologists.

The honest scientist, like the philosopher, will tell you that nothing whatever can be or has been proved with fully 100% certainty, not even that you or I exist, nor anyone except himself, since he might be dreaming the whole thing. Thus there is no sharp line between speculation, hypothesis, theory, principle, and fact, but only a difference along a sliding scale, in the degree of probability of the idea. When we say a thing is a fact, then, we only mean that its probability is an extremely high one: so high that we are not bothered by doubt about it and are ready to act accordingly. Now in this use of the term fact, the only proper one, evolution is a fact. For the evidence in favor of it is as voluminous, diverse, and convincing as in the case of any other well established fact of science concerning the existence of things that cannot be directly seen, such as atoms, neutrons, or solar gravitation ....

So enormous, ramifying, and consistent has the evidence for evolution become that if anyone could now disprove it, I should have my conception of the orderliness of the universe so shaken as to lead me to doubt even my own existence. If you like, then, I will grant you that in an absolute sense evolution is not a fact, or rather, that it is no more a fact than that you are hearing or reading these words.

- H. J. Muller, "One Hundred Years Without Darwin Are Enough" School Science and Mathematics 59, 304-305. (1959) reprinted in Evolution versus Creationism op cit.

In any meaningful sense evolution is a fact, but there are various theories concerning the mechanism of evolution.

chai2
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2014 07:19 am
@Wilso,
Wilso wrote:

Reincarnation has as much chance of being true as any other religious superstition.


Personally, I don't think of reincarnation as any type of religious thing. That's just me though.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2014 07:23 am
@bobsal u1553115,
thanks! was really funny...and a bit dumb too.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2014 07:24 am
And now.

has anybody read the book by Ian Stevenson or seen the documentairy?



Thought so!
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2014 08:37 am
Quote:
Chai said: Personally, I don't think of reincarnation as any type of religious thing.

Right, there's absolutely nothing about it in the Bible, it's just something dreamt up by ancient mickey-mouse eastern religions
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2014 08:48 am
@Quehoniaomath,
This is why people are calling you a fool. You haven't the foggiest notion of what is or isn't science, yet you make these stupid judgement posts again and again.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2014 08:55 am
Incidentally Edgar Blythe said he's had supernatural experiences, so he's not such a closed-minded fuddy-duddy as he likes to make out..Smile

He said-
"Just as I felt the emotional tug, when certain people died, even though I was not in the same city, in any of the cases, or a dog will sometimes howl when their absent owner dies, there is a connection between people, including some animals, that is in mundane circumstances undetectable" (Edgar Blythe, 6 Mar 2014 in the 'I Think' thread)

"When brother Sam died in Dallas, I was working in Tomball. I felt a sudden urge to go in the office and sit down. "Why?" the manager asked. "I don't know. I just do." At that moment, my phone rang. It was his wife to tell me he was gone. This would mean nothing to many people, and that's fine. I just see enough to believe in connectivity between living creatures." (Edgar Blythe, 7 Mar 2014 in the 'I Think' thread)
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2014 09:50 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Quote:
Incidentally Edgar Blythe said he's had supernatural experiences, so he's not such a closed-minded fuddy-duddy as he likes to make out..

He said-
"Just as I felt the emotional tug, when certain people died, even though I was not in the same city, in any of the cases, or a dog will sometimes howl when their absent owner dies, there is a connection between people, including some animals, that is in mundane circumstances undetectable" (Edgar Blythe, 6 Mar 2014 in the 'I Think' thread)

"When brother Sam died in Dallas, I was working in Tomball. I felt a sudden urge to go in the office and sit down. "Why?" the manager asked. "I don't know. I just do." At that moment, my phone rang. It was his wife to tell me he was gone. This would mean nothing to many people, and that's fine. I just see enough to believe in connectivity between living creatures." (Edgar Blythe, 7 Mar 2014 in the 'I Think' thread)


ok then! Very good1 Thanks!
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2014 10:05 am
@edgarblythe,
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This is why people are calling you a fool. You haven't the foggiest notion of what is or isn't science, yet you make these stupid judgement posts again and again.


Really? Wink

Can you elaborate on that?

I just don't go along with the scientific religion, of course people won't like that, it's like blasphemie to them.
Furthermore I don't care about people calling me a fool. I am just searching for truth,
If that makes me a fool in their , and your eyes, so be it.
Get it over with.


btw have YOu read the book by Ian Stevenson?





Right! Thought so!
Pearlylustre
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2014 05:31 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
And have YOU read Paul Edwards' works refuting Stevenson's so-called research? He couldn't even convince his own wife that he was right. It didn't say in wikipedia if they had children but I suspect not. No one who has had young children would take the testimony of toddlers as the basis for a 'scientific' theory.

I must say that the idea that children are born with birthmarks where they were scarred in a previous life is amusing though. I have a very faint birthmark in a place most people never see - I guess the person I reincarnated from must have sat on something sharp. There have been so many people who have died in fires, been blown up, disfigured by other injuries, surgery and disease that you would expect, if Stevenson's thesis were correct, that most of us would be covered from head to toe in various birthmarks.

You make yourself look like a total idiot by believing this nonsense.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jun, 2014 12:35 am
@Pearlylustre,
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And have YOU read Paul Edwards' works refuting Stevenson's so-called research? He couldn't even convince his own wife that he was right. It didn't say in wikipedia if they had children but I suspect not. No one who has had young children would take the testimony of toddlers as the basis for a 'scientific' theory.

I must say that the idea that children are born with birthmarks where they were scarred in a previous life is amusing though. I have a very faint birthmark in a place most people never see - I guess the person I reincarnated from must have sat on something sharp. There have been so many people who have died in fires, been blown up, disfigured by other injuries, surgery and disease that you would expect, if Stevenson's thesis were correct, that most of us would be covered from head to toe in various birthmarks.

You make yourself look like a total idiot by believing this nonsense



No, I haven't read it, but I will, thanks.
But here is a question for you, have you read the book by Ian Stevenson?

And an idiot for 'believing' this? lol
Do you know how manuy scientist in the past and now believe in an afterlife?
(And if there is a an afterlife, then reincarnation is alos very well possible)

And then there is this: Why do you like to call someone an idiot, because his views diffeers with yours? Is that so difficult for you? I let you have your view. Did I insult you anywhere? Just try to be polite ok?
This is a forum to discuss ideas I thought, not to insult people who think differently. Right?
Wilso
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jun, 2014 04:00 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

This is why people are calling you a fool. You haven't the foggiest notion of what is or isn't science, yet you make these stupid judgement posts again and again.


Quahog is a confident, uneducated moron. I hate seeing people of intelligence on this forum wasting their time on pathetic losers like him, spendi and Romeo. People of zero talent and zero achievement, whose only ability is to denigrate others. Deep down, they know they're nobodies.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jun, 2014 04:39 am
@Wilso,
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Quahog is a confident, uneducated moron. I hate seeing people of intelligence on this forum wasting their time on pathetic losers like him, spendi and Romeo. People of zero talent and zero achievement, whose only ability is to denigrate others. Deep down, they know they're nobodies.


Wow, that looks a lot to projecting at me!
However, exactly WHY are we ( me, Spendius, Romeo etc) '''pathetic losers"?
How do you know we are " People of zero talent and zero achievement", please tell me how you have found that out.
And I liked this one: "whose only ability is to denigrate others".
Isn't it very funny to read that you denigrate 'us' and in the samen time are accusing us of doing it?! It's realy laughable.
I really think people here denigrate 'us' more then the other way around.
Not that I care.
And you seem to be a bit arrogant also if you state "I hate seeing people of intelligence on this forum wasting their time".
What do you care others do???? You have nothing to do with that,
And if you have any dificulty with the information 'we' present, well, don't read it mate!
Or do you really think that the information that may be presented here is information you agree upon? I hope not! Wink
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jun, 2014 05:17 am
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Wilso said: Quehon, spendi and Romeo. People of zero talent and zero achievement, whose only ability is to denigrate others. Deep down, they know they're nobodies.

Steady on mate, I'm an ex-convict just like most of you Aussies so that makes us brothers..Smile
And as i've said before, full marks to you and your mates for taking Oz off the blacks, they'd been running the place for centuries and still didn't know how to play cricket or speak english..Smile
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Pearlylustre
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jun, 2014 08:42 am
@Quehoniaomath,
I looked up enough about Stevenson to know that his theory is nonsense and I gave you two reasons why I think that. You haven't given any reasons why you think it is true other than to refer back to the book. You chose instead to act all hurt and offended. It's not that your views are different to mine it's that Stevenson's theory is ridiculous. I would also say that you looked like an idiot if you said you believed in alien abductions, talking to dead people or fairies at the bottom of the garden.
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jun, 2014 10:20 am
@Wilso,
Where's Xingu when you need him?
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