Elliot Rodger

He was only 5, not 7, and the strangers were trying helping him to reunite with the class he had wandered away from, who were still somewhere in the park, and "eventually" to a 5 year old could be 5 minutes of wandering around with those strangers looking for the class. Personally, I don't think Elliot could have been missing from the class very long without a teacher noticing he was gone, and starting a search for him. I'm not as impressed with his use of "eventually" as you are.

I do think he might have been struggling with possible issues of homosexuality, or fears of possibly being homosexual, unrelated to any possible history of sexual abuse--and he might not have been able to recognize that in himself, or even mention it in his manifesto. I don't think he really wanted to have sex with a woman, I think he wanted to have a woman by his side to prove to others he wasn't gay. Had he really wanted to experience sex with a woman, even out of curiosity, I think he would have taken up his father's offer to get him a prostitute in Las Vegas.

His first reaction to seeing a pornographic picture of a couple having intercourse was revulsion--and I don't think that revulsion ever left him. And, at the end of his manifesto, during his misogynistic rant, it's clear he doesn't like the idea of sex, or sex with a woman--didn't he say he'd do away with sex for everyone in his fantasy of how he'd like to control things?
He apparently had no interest in porn, and many 21 year old men might, particularly those who are sexually frustrated, and while he said he thought about a blonde woman while he masturbated, we don't know what his fantasy was like--he could have been imagining strangling her or harming her while arousing himself.

So I basically agree with you, I also think he had sexual issues he didn't reveal in the manifesto, but we differ in what those might have been. And neither of us will ever know. But I don't think he actually viewed the possibility of having real sex with a woman as a positive experience--he didn't even have positive sexual fantasies when he looked at women he thought were hot--he reacted to them mainly with anger because they ignored him--and that's also why I think he had no real sexual interest in women. He just resented not fitting in socially, and not being seen as normal--it was simply more of his envy, just like he envied those with more wealth, and not a desire to have a real female sex partner, or even a real relationship with a woman.

Do you have the sense he was struggling with homosexual issues, or fears of possibly being gay?

Wow are you ignorant to how the male mind works! So any man who's a virgin and passes up having sex with a hooker is a closet homosexual??? I can't think of a more disgusting and honestly scary first sexual experience than having it be with a hooker! I remember when I was a virgin and passing up sex with women because they were more sexually experienced than I was. As much as I wanted sex, I was scared of my first time not being with another virgin. So I waited, and eventually I found her.



My first reaction to hardcore porn was exactly the same, and I'm not gay. Rogers said that it shocked and also aroused him firefly. You left out the aroused part. That's a perfectly normal first reaction to porn. I remember being shocked and disgusted but also aroused the first time I saw porn. I mean especially at a young age, witnessing porn is essentially like witnessing something violent happen for the first time. I also remember the first time I saw softcore porn, just naked women in Playboy. I remember thinking that those women had no respect for themselves and it really kind of disgusting me and making me angry, but it also gave me a boner.

What really pisses me off is how women seem to think they know more about this Rogers situation than men do. I know I'll be attacked for this, but I remember a time in my life when I had a lot of the same feelings that Roger expressed. After one of my girlfriends left me. She cheated on me actually, and it was with one of those "brute" types that Roger spoke of. I had a lot of anger then that I didn't process in a healthy way, and seeing some of the things Roger expressed reminded me very much of that time in my life. I've had male friends and known other males who've expressed similar kinds of things too. I think especially when you're younger, for men who've been cheated on or who haven't had any girlfriends by the time they're in their early 20's, it's not uncommon to develop some of the thoughts that Roger expressed. Now that's not to say expressing a desire to murder, but the anger towards women from men who've had problems with them is not uncommon.

And that's why women can never be a voice of authority on the Roger incident. At least not in analyzing him and his motives. They simply have no point of reference of male frustration to draw from. They can talk about the victims and about how horrible the tragedy was, but they don't have credibility when it comes to analyzing Roger himself. And that's a big part of why all these slanted articles with factual errors that have been written about him by women piss me off.

But by all means let's talk about porno. I think that's an important issue. I'm not necessarily against porn, but I do think it has some negative effects. For one thing I don't understand why women say that porn is men "objectifying" women or some such similar terminology. As far as I can tell women make the choice to do porn and get paid to do so. Not only that, but they get paid much more to do porn than men in porn do. Are these women being forced at gunpoint to do porn, or are they doing it because it's an easy way to make a lot of money without having to do any real work? I don't really watch porn anymore for a few reasons. For one thing my mind is plenty dirty enough by itself and the women I've had experiences with in my life are funner to think about anyway. But also I think back to when I first discovered mastubation all the way up through my 20's and how much time and money I spent on porn.

I think that men are the ones being exploited by porn. Men are the ones forking down their hard earned money for it while women profit. Women are the ones exploiting a biological urge that men essentially have no control over to become rich without getting a real job or doing any real work.

So I've for the most part decided to say no to not only porn, but also anything that takes my time or money by trying to draw me in with attractive women. I've simply decided that that's one little thing I can do personally to help take away power from those kinds of women who use their sexuality to have power over men. It's really become a conscious life choice for me. I refuse to let any woman manipulate me. I think if more men made this same choice it would do a whole lot to take away power from these leech women who manipulate men. Men need to realize that every time they even click on a free video on the internet, they're giving power to women who don't deserve it.

You know what the worst part about accidentally cutting your finger while you're making a sandwich is?

Not only is your finger cut, but you also have to stop making your sandwich and deal with it instead of eating when you're really hungry!

I just can't get over how messed up this mentality is. firefly, you're shaming men for complaining about not having sex because they won't have sex with a hooker? Why didn't you just call Elliot Roger a faggot while you were at it?

Oh good grief.

BillRM doesn't watch child porn, and he has never said anything to the contrary.

Has no one on a2k heard of a civil libertarian before?

Hardly a child.

I took it as him placing you on ignore, on account of all the outrageous false accusations you were making against him.

A man can stand up for himself.

A child needs someone to come along and help him .

Thanks oralloy.

I've been here long enough to read what Bill has to say and those little kittens will forever stick out in my mind. If Bill didn't come over here and rant and rave about Child Porn on a thread that has nothing to do with Child Porn I wouldn't have commented back ... Let's face it who in their right mind would agree for someone to study up on Child Porn so they can find a solution to stop it, via simply google. I'd be starting a commity with investigators etc, volunteer work. That's just my opinion. Bill dishes it out, I'm purely giving it back.

Regardless did you want to discuss Elliot Rodger or did you just come across to defend Bill?

FF .. nonono, will reply further later. I'd like to review again Elliot's comment about being lost at (5) but then it was 7 that he dyed his hair, I'd like to re-read that period. nononono just for the record, you can not be against women analysing a male, men do it with women all the time and basically never get it right unless they've spent alot of time studying up on women.. Do you feel if a woman has spent a lot of time reading and learning and studying up on a said subject she may just have some of those things right? Do you think that is feasible?

After all has been said the most interesting thing about Elliot Rodger is that some how he got it in his head that the heavens (for lack of a better term) should provide for his every whim, and when ever that did not happen he had been slighted.

I blame mom.

I mean come on...he wanted pussy so bad that he launched a " day of retribution" when he did not get it but he would not lift a finger to get it because as he said he should not have to. That is some serious pathology.

I thought previously you blammed Dad?

Also which Mom do you want to blame, take your pick.

The Mom that was too soft and gave in, gave him everything, didn't marry the millionairre , that's 50/50 giving in to his every whim.. Or the Step-Mom that gave into nothing from the looks of it, which also may have contributed to his hatred of women don't you think?

You used the word Spoilt from the beginning. I can see a portion of that but not totally... People don't try to cut 3 heads off of live bodies just because they were spoilt at some points in their lives.

There's more to it Hawkeye.

I said that when dad said " i did not know that he had such serious problems" that he is either lying or he should have known.

that would be the mom who could be counted on to get him what ever he wanted as soon as humanly possible.

Grasping at straws, nobody thinks FS is anything other than what she appears to be. Lots of people think you might be a paedophile, and you've only got yourself to blame.

People have always been fascinated with crime and murder, there are TV channels dedicated to it. There are magazines about it, going all the way back to the Victorian penny dreadfuls. It's normal, it's mainstream.

The only people interested in child pornography are paedophiles.

Oralboy is a sad pathetic 40 something virgin who still lives with his parents. He fantasises about killing babies, and has an extreme erotic fixation on the murderer Amanda Knox. He likes posting pictures of women who have been brutally murdered and mocking them, like Meredith Kercher.

If anyone is a serial killer on A2K, it's Oralboy.

At 5 years of age, his Mother gave her daughter the biggest room of the new home, not Elliot. So at what point did she believe he had Autism to the hilt and started giving "him" more or buying him what he wanted, at 7 when she Divorced? And did that continue? All we know is a car, sun-glasses find me more.

Hawk, it's not necessarily easy to work Elliot out. At the beginning you said, male oppression, then thought perhaps class, then mental illness came into it, then anti male environment.

No one I don't believe can suss Elliot up and be 100% correct (regardless of gender)...

Serial killer ... I don't know.

Psychopath ... No doubt. If anybody on A2K exhibits the traits of a psychopath it's (thumb down) orallie.

He is a textbook case and when you realise this it explains so much.

Agreed.

Bill only needs to read my very first post and it says "why" I was interested in this case and how I think, it's refreshing to know that other's know the same, thanks Izzy.

I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that in this particular example, what the media and feminists have done, is that they've taken the blood of 6 innocent people who died and however many more were injured and used that to further a witch hunt against the men's rights movement and also against males in general. I think that using any tragedy to further an agenda is despicable, but this is one of worst and most twisted examples I've ever seen like that.



Yes I do. If I could edit that post, I would rephrase that one little part just a tiny bit differently. Certainly woman can study Eliot Roger and become very knowledgeable about him. But it's that one specific part about his male frustration (not even male frustration as a whole, just that one part), that no woman can be an authority on. And yet I'm willing to bet that if we added up all the media coverage and articles/posts about Roger, the vast majority of them have been written by women. It's kind of the same concept as those stupid Cosmo magazine articles like "20 ways to please your man in bed" written by women. How the hell does a woman know more about what pleases a man sexually than a man does? I mean, speaking as a man who's masturbated himself and also who's received hand jobs from women before, I can tell you right now that I can get myself off better with my own hand than any hanjob I've ever gotten from a woman can. I'm sorry to be "vulgar", but do you understand what I'm saying?

I explained that I had the exact same reaction that Roger did the first time I saw porn. I'm saying that that is not an uncommon reaction. Nor is anger and frustration at women from men during their youth who have trouble attracting and/or maintaining female attention.

And this whole thing with him being gay is ridiculous. And I think it's absolutely disgusting behavior for firefly to imply that if a man isn't willing to go to a hooker to lose his virginity, that makes him a faggot (which is a word I realize she didn't use, but she might as well have.) What firefly's doing is a clear cut shaming technique aimed at men, and I find it repulsive.

I'm going to have to look up Meredith Kercher, she's come up a few times. Sounds horrific as for Amanda Knox, there is a pattern with these killers, the only difference is those that do it for money I think. I thought Oral was a lot older for some reason.

BillRM constantly tries to portray other people's behaviour as deviant. He has admitted that his ex wife got a restraining order out against him which he did not challenge. He's also admitted going into a park with a box full of kittens.

And now he's admitting to typing in child pornography terms on an underground search engine.

As FF has pointed out, his feeble attempts to justify such deviant behaviour have had the opposite effect, people are seeing him for what he is.

When you're in a hole stop digging. BillRM is too stupid to take such advice, and will probably divulge other aspects of his repulsive personality before he's through.

Well, I would say that izzythepuss is definitely a psychopath, also a complete twat. Anyone who would say that if someone gets the **** beaten out of them in a domestic situation and they don't go to the cops then it's their own fault they got beaten, is definitely a very mentally ill individual. Probably a textbook narcissist and a bedwetter...