ossobuco
 
  1  
Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 10:29 am
I'm just now remembering a bit of an article, one of the early ones, where it said the police did check about guns and found none registered. Will post if I run across that again.
ossobuco
 
  1  
Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 10:52 am
@ossobuco,
Ok, I'll back off blaming the police - apparently the most relevant video(s) were posted on youtube the day of the shooting, so weren't part of the family notices to police before that.

http://blog.sfgate.com/stew/2014/05/24/social-media-reaction-to-ucsb-shooting/
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Moment-in-Time
 
  1  
Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 11:03 am
@FOUND SOUL,
It was said Elliot Rodgers suffered from an autism spectrum disorder; this means one with great difficulty interacting with society at large; he might have been a brooder of dark thoughts, dreaming of slaying those he blamed for his problem. Sex does play a tremendous role especially when according to the Kinsey Institute, 85% of males would have been laid by the age of 20~21. Rodgers seemingly had sexual hormones running all over the place and no way, he felt, to satisfy his deep-seated libido drive. When sex is denied/suppressed, human nature will find another outlet. This troubled individual was an angry young man and in his limited universe, he acted out his anger on those he blamed.....women and others in society. Experts on the subject of affected children and adults with autism/Aspergers, are taking pains to say "violence is not the normal reaction of people who suffer from this affliction" but something is terribly wrong when the sexual urge is not allowed free expression....to follow its natural route...I know of a few autistic children/adults who work at the Stop & Shop Supermarket that house a program for hiring young people with Downs Syndrome, and Autism; they are shy, attentive and persistent in packing grocery bags, but then there is always the aberration.....I am remembering 20-year-old Aspergers Syndrome Adam Lanza of Connecticut (a loner) who fatally shot 20 people at Sandy Hook Elementary School (most young girls and boys). By all accounts at 22 Elliot Rodger and Adam Lanza were at their sexual peak who who were stuck in their own world.....There's no doubt these people who commit these mass killings are miserably unhappy but parents are usually in denial, always hoping for the best until the worst occurs.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 12:01 pm
Article by New Yorker and book writer Adam Gopnik published in the SF Chronicle -


MAY 25, 2014
CHRISTOPHER MICHAEL-MARTINEZ’S FATHER GETS IT RIGHT
POSTED BY ADAM GOPNIK
http://blog.sfgate.com/stew/2014/05/24/social-media-reaction-to-ucsb-shooting/

I wholeheartedly agree, others will differ.
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 12:06 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

Article by New Yorker and book writer Adam Gopnik published in the SF Chronicle -


MAY 25, 2014
CHRISTOPHER MICHAEL-MARTINEZ’S FATHER GETS IT RIGHT
POSTED BY ADAM GOPNIK
http://blog.sfgate.com/stew/2014/05/24/social-media-reaction-to-ucsb-shooting/

I wholeheartedly agree, others will differ.
CHRISTOPHER MICHAEL-MARTINEZ’S FATHER GETS IT Rong.

His son was IRRESPONSIBLE by walking around un-armed,
ill-prepared to defend himself. No American shud do that.





David
boomerang
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 12:10 pm
@ossobuco,
Your link doesn't go to that article, osso.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 12:15 pm
@boomerang,
Thanks, I'll try again. It was odd to see an SFGate article in the url over the NYer article, but it seemed to work then.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 12:18 pm
@ossobuco,
Turned out it looks to be the rare NYer screw up - as I have both the page I copied from and the new one I'm checking now on my desk top, and the url has changed to

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/05/christopher-michael-martinezs-father-gets-it-right.html
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 12:34 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:
Turned out it looks to be the rare NYer screw up
Well, we don t claim to be absolutely perfect, Osso.





David
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 12:36 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Smiles.

I strongly disagree re the son and everyone else needing to carry, but you know that.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 12:39 pm
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:
Your link doesn't go to that article, osso.

The article was just Freedom Hating scum whining about how much they hate America's freedom.

People should count themselves fortunate to miss it.
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panzade
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 12:43 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
What you're suggesting for these kids and our society is a life in hell IMO.
I don't want to live to see this.
Quote:
The first three killed Friday were male stabbing victims in Rodger's own apartment

The boys were foolish not to have guns at the ready in their apartment, weren't they David?
Then....
Quote:
No one answered the door (at the Alpha Phi sorority) after one to two minutes of aggressive pounding, but he soon shot three women who were standing nearby, killing two of them, 19-year-old Veronika Weiss and 22-year-old Katherine Cooper.

Veronika Weiss, 19 should have been armed.
Katherine Cooper, 22 should have been packing.
Even though they were standing right outside the sorority.
Quote:
He then drove to a deli where he walked inside and shot and killed another UC Santa Barbara student, 20-year-old Christopher Michaels-Martinez

Chris Michaels-Martinez, 20. Dave, he was foolish for going to a Deli without his pistol.
Quote:
Michaels-Martinez was the last one killed, but the rampage would continue as Rodger drove across Isla Vista, shooting at some and running down others with his car, twice exchanging gunfire with deputies.

The good people strolling through Isla Vista on a warm spring night; they were all remiss for not carrying concealed weapons, right Dave?

Right David?
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 12:59 pm
@panzade,
panzade wrote:
The good people strolling through Isla Vista on a warm spring night; they were all remiss for not carrying concealed weapons, right Dave?

Right David?

OmSigDAVID is indeed right.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 01:11 pm
It will be interesting to see how this plays out....there has been considerable consensus that we need to do better at keeping guns away from the mentally ill, but in this case we have a upper class family that sent the kid to presumably good docs, reported to the police, was actually franticly searching for the kid as he was shooting, and still we get the same result as Sandy Hook. So do we say **** it, increased mental health system help will not work to prevent these carnages so dont bother?
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 01:47 pm
@panzade,
panzade wrote:

What you're suggesting for these kids and our society is a life in hell IMO.
I don't want to live to see this.
Quote:
The first three killed Friday were male stabbing victims in Rodger's own apartment

The boys were foolish not to have guns at the ready in their apartment, weren't they David?
Then....
Quote:
No one answered the door (at the Alpha Phi sorority) after one to two minutes of aggressive pounding, but he soon shot three women who were standing nearby, killing two of them, 19-year-old Veronika Weiss and 22-year-old Katherine Cooper.

Veronika Weiss, 19 should have been armed.
Katherine Cooper, 22 should have been packing.
Even though they were standing right outside the sorority.
Quote:
He then drove to a deli where he walked inside and shot and killed another UC Santa Barbara student, 20-year-old Christopher Michaels-Martinez

Chris Michaels-Martinez, 20. Dave, he was foolish for going to a Deli without his pistol.
Quote:
Michaels-Martinez was the last one killed, but the rampage would continue as Rodger drove across Isla Vista, shooting at some and running down others with his car, twice exchanging gunfire with deputies.

The good people strolling through Isla Vista on a warm spring night;
they were all remiss for not carrying concealed weapons, right Dave?
[Yes; concealed or exposed, either way]
Right David?
Yes, Panzade; the same as everyone shud
wear his seatbelt and his gunbelt; no exceptions!
Because I feel 1OO% safe at home (call me a hypocrit),
I extremely seldom, almost never carry guns at home, but occasionally,
I see a published incident like this wherein FOR HIS LIFE, some victim
NEEDED to be well armed at home.

Guns are health insurance. U shud keep your health insurance
in full force and effect all the time, not just sometimes.





David
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panzade
 
  1  
Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 02:21 pm
@hawkeye10,
Tough question.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 02:32 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
It will be interesting to see how this plays out....there has been considerable consensus that we need to do better at keeping guns away from the mentally ill, but in this case we have a upper class family that sent the kid to presumably good docs, reported to the police, was actually franticly searching for the kid as he was shooting, and still we get the same result as Sandy Hook. So do we say **** it, increased mental health system help will not work to prevent these carnages so dont bother?

This kid was not actually mentally ill, just extremely frustrated about being rejected (and apparently not receiving good advice on how to fix that problem).

It is probable that in some cases increased mental health treatment would avert a massacre, but it will not prevent every occurrence.
ossobuco
 
  2  
Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 02:37 pm
@panzade,
But we need a better mental health system in any case. I know, I know, the problems of care now are immense.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 02:41 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
This kid was not actually mentally ill,
reports are he had a diagnosis from a doctor, which makes him mentally ill using standard word definitions. Did you watch that youtube video he did in his car? There was obviously something wrong with him.

I do think that the societal anti-male atmosphere played a part, if he had gotten just one mercy **** this likely would not have happened, and during the 70's when I was that age he likely would have gotten one. I do think we need to talk about how beating up on young men is going to come back and bite us in the ass, but in this particular case there was clearly more going on.
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 02:43 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
It will be interesting to see how this plays out....there has been considerable consensus
that we need to do better at keeping guns away from the mentally ill,
If people have been making their own guns by hand FOR CENTURIES before electric tools
were available, and have been buying guns from local gunsmiths,
HOW can thay possibly be prevented from acquiring guns,
short of killing anyone who is diagnosed as being mentally ill, or near mentally ill ????????

If, after wasting BILLIONS of $$$$$$,
people STILL cannot be stopped from acquiring marijuana or heroin,
is there a reason to believe that a gun prohibition will be more successful, Hawkeye???
 

 
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