Elliot Rodger

@FOUND SOUL,

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If Peter saw "evil" when he read what he was reading pertaining to the forums, where did he state " and so, I realised that my son was not just suicidal but evil and so, I approached a,b,c and x for further advice on how to handle him.

He didn't say his son was evil, I don't know that he believes his son was evil. He feels his son was mentally ill. What puzzled and troubled him was that his son was exposing himself to what, he felt was "evil" rhetoric, and associating with that type of element, on the internet. That was most likely on the PuaHate site--and the "evil" was probably the amount of hated toward women being expressed there. Elliot thought those people were cowards because they were only talking, and not actually acting on their hated toward women, as he wanted to do. And Peter Rodger had gotten his son treatment, but that's one of the issues he didn't elaborate on, and Walters didn't push. Elliot was seeing a therapist, a psychologist, while he was in college in Santa Barbara, he mentioned that in his manifesto, but it's not known how often he saw him, or when his last session was.

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@Buttermilk,

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"The image of women in the "Third World" generally, and of Muslim women in particular, in the West are very schematic and prejudiced....

How the West views Muslim women has nothing to do with Western feminists meddling into the Muslim religion, in Muslim countries, and basically stirring up trouble, which was your contention.

The feminist movement in Muslim countries is quite different and apart from Western feminism--and it really predates Western feminism, by several hundred years--and the issues are quite different for feminism in Islamic countries.

You made a contention that does not hold up to any scrutiny, and isn't at all validated by the article you posted in support of that contention.

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BTW the article yo posted http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/

is funny

I know--misogynists are so easy to mock--particularly when other men are doing the mocking. Laughing

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

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If Peter saw "evil" when he read what he was reading pertaining to the forums, where did he state " and so, I realised that my son was not just suicidal but evil and so, I approached a,b,c and x for further advice on how to handle him.

He didn't say his son was evil, I don't know that he believes his son was evil. He feels his son was mentally ill. What puzzled and troubled him was that his son was exposing himself to what, he felt was "evil" rhetoric, and associating with that type of element, on the internet. That was most likely on the PuaHate site--and the "evil" was probably the amount of hated toward women being expressed there. Elliot thought those people were cowards because they were only talking, and not actually acting on their hated toward women, as he wanted to do. And Peter Rodger had gotten his son treatment, but that's one of the issues he didn't elaborate on, and Walters didn't push. Elliot was seeing a therapist, a psychologist, while he was in college in Santa Barbara, he mentioned that in his manifesto, but it's not known how often he saw him, or when his last session was.

If I remember accurately,
it was weekly, or more ofen;
(at least for some time).

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@firefly,

I would be willing to bet that you are ungodly physically unattractive, and that that's influenced your misandry because you feel that men owe you something...

ENTITLEMENT!!!

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@FOUND SOUL,

I really like your posts Found Soul! I may be completely off base, but I sense a genuine humanity and warmth to your personality. Very Happy

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Are there any sites as "Pick up Artists" for women?

I'm not sure, but I would wager not. And that's because women don't have anything to do in order to be viewed as "desired" or "wanted" in the eyes of society.

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Here are the sites he visited:-

Pussy pass Forum
Purehate (to women
Bodybuilding for men
RooshvForum - his addy was Roger That - a men's forum

...and NONE of those sites are men's rights movement sites in the least bit!

I'm not at all disputing that what Elliot Roger did was 100% wrong. I'm just saying that the MRM had NO INVOLVEMENT WHATSOEVER, even to the point that Eliot Roger never even visited a MRM website even once!

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@nononono,

nononono wrote:

I would be willing to bet that you are ungodly physically unattractive, and that that's influenced your misandry because you feel that men owe you something...

ENTITLEMENT!!!

I can t identify it with precision,
but there appears to be something sick about your mindset.
Some folks here have attributed that to your youth,
but a lot of people have been young, without being mentally sick.

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@firefly,

"How the West views Muslim women has nothing to do with Western feminists meddling into the Muslim religion, in Muslim countries, and basically stirring up trouble, which was your contention."

Really?

So shortly after 9/11 women's rights groups didn't meddle into the affairs of afghan women who wore Burkhas? Something that they've worn for decades if not centuries? Or the Hijab? you're telling that women's rights groups have never commented on the "oppressive nature of Islam?" GTFOH see, armchair feminsit who've never heard of Andrea Dworkin or Mackinnon, you seem to not keep up with the world.

"The feminist movement in Muslim countries is quite different and apart from Western feminism--and it really predates Western feminism, by several hundred years--and the issues are quite different for feminism in Islamic countries. "

I disagree. that is why you have such as Irshad Manji (I'm sure you've never heard of her either) who is trying to change the structure of Islam from within by inserting so-called westernized feminist mantra in Islam. The West which includes feminism, anglo-saxon patriarchy and the like. Besides the concept of "feminism" is not even in the vernacular of Muslims until shortly after 9/11. there were no such concepts of feminism even during the time of Muhammad.

"I know--misogynists are so easy to mock--particularly when other men are doing the mocking."

There was a self-proclaimed feminist in the video that actually disagreed with feminists.....But ok

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@firefly,

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He didn't say his son was evil, I don't know that he believes his son was evil

Ok, read that wrong, the "site and people there were evil".

But he used the word. He believed in God. He preached it to Elliot as he grew up. So if he saw evil and suggested that his son should get out of there, then he in my minds eye, felt that Elliot could turn Smile

Well not that way.

I still feel that Peter Rodgers used band-aids, that being that he did seek help for Elliot but for the most part left things up to Elliot's Mother and Step-Mother. Elliot made it clear that his Father sided with his Step-Mother over everything he did, though she may have been perfectly correct he didn't have time for his Father in the end. I do think that Peter will live with the belief that he wasn't there enough for Elliot teaching him to be a man, regardless of Elliot's "evil" side, I think he deserted him somewhat.

It's interesting that Elliot claims that they never read it or said anything to him.

Selective hearing perhaps.

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@nononono,

I think women have to do a lot to be viewed as desired or wanted in the eyes of society. We are bought up with the crap on TV, models, being thin, dying our hair, shaving, make-up, think I will come back as a man in my next life Smile

I am sure for women there would be sites on how to "tell" a pick up artist from a real guy.

Pretty sure I read somewhere that Elliot visited the mens rights movement type Forums as well though, shall have to check now when I get some time.

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@Buttermilk,

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So shortly after 9/11 women's rights groups didn't meddle into the affairs of afghan women who wore Burkhas? Something that they've worn for decades if not centuries?

I hear that the women rights groups even was known to had complain about the executions of women in public sport arenas in afghanistan let alone the beatings of women who was out not completely cover up or without a male relation escorts before 911.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-Rqh-Mo6EM64Cx0ZuzN0B5x6mPL8Y36IzPMJDFDBuzNQ8VWzh

Women being move by a pickup truck to their execution site.

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@FOUND SOUL,

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Pretty sure I read somewhere that Elliot visited the mens rights movement type Forums as well though, shall have to check now when I get some time.

I'm sure that you did read that. However, look at any story where you read that Eliot visited men's rights forums and try to find where the article names a specific men's rights forum that he visited.

I challenge anyone to find me an article that claims that Roger visited men's rights websites/forums that actually names an ACTUAL men's rights website/forum that Roger visited.

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I think women have to do a lot to be viewed as desired or wanted in the eyes of society.

Women can sex whenever they choose simply by saying to the man sitting next to them "Would you like to have sex?"That's not a superpower that men have. Even unattractive women still have a vagina, and having a vagina gives someone all the control in determining when, where, and how frequently they have sex.

You have to understand how condescending it is when women tell a men something to the effect of "You're not entitled to sex". Well, that's easy for the female gender to say when that gender is the one controlling who has sex and who doesn't. It's also easy for the female gender to say that when they don't have as strong of a sex drive in the first place. The desire for sex is so strong for most men that it's almost like how a heroin addict has a desire to do heroin. That's male biology, and a lot of women use that to manipulate men for all variety of reasons. There are many, many women who wouldn't have a red cent to their name if men didn't have such a strong desire for sex.

Why are women entitled to sex?

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@nononono,

nononono wrote:

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Pretty sure I read somewhere that Elliot visited the mens rights movement type Forums as well though, shall have to check now when I get some time.

I'm sure that you did read that. However, look at any story where you read that Eliot visited men's rights forums and try to find where the article names a specific men's rights forum that he visited.

I challenge anyone to find me an article that claims that Roger visited men's rights websites/forums that actually names an ACTUAL men's rights website/forum that Roger visited.

If I remember accurately, one of them was: called Pick Up Artist.com
or something approximately similar to that.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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If I remember accurately, one of them was: called Pick Up Artist.com
or something approximately similar to that.

It was puahate.com actually. And that is NOT a men's rights website, not in the slightest bit. Pick up artist websites are NOT men's rights sites.

Pick up artist sites are only concerned with men trying to get laid or get a girlfriend. Pick up artistry is not a social movement. They are not devoted to addressing issues such as but not limited to:

1) The sentencing gap in criminal courts that results in women serving on average nearly half the jail time for the EXACT same crimes as men do.
2) Child custody issues and how the courts discriminate against men
3) Male genital mutilation being accepted by society
4) The majority of the homeless population being males
5) The majority of the prison population being males
6) The majority of suicides being males
7) The majority of victims of violence of ANY SORT being males
8) EVERY war in history being fought in vast majority by males
9) Men sacrificing their well being in the name of "women and children first"
10) MUCH more attention being given to issues like breast cancer than issues like prostate cancer, even though they're both equally deadly health concerns.
11) Violence against men perpetrated by females not being taken seriously by law enforcement or by the media

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@nononono,

nononono wrote:

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If I remember accurately, one of them was: called Pick Up Artist.com
or something approximately similar to that.

It was puahate.com actually. And that is NOT a men's rights website, not in the slightest bit. Pick up artist websites are NOT men's rights sites.

Pick up artist sites are only concerned with men trying to get laid or get a girlfriend. Pick up artistry is not a social movement. They are not devoted to addressing issues such as but not limited to:

1) The sentencing gap in criminal courts that results in women serving on average nearly half the jail time for the EXACT same crimes as men do.
2) Child custody issues and how the courts discriminate against men
3) Male genital mutilation being accepted by society
4) The majority of the homeless population being males
5) The majority of the prison population being males
6) The majority of suicides being males
7) The majority of victims of violence of ANY SORT being males
8) EVERY war in history being fought in vast majority by males
9) Men sacrificing their well being in the name of "women and children first"
10) MUCH more attention being given to issues like breast cancer than issues like prostate cancer, even though they're both equally deadly health concerns.
11) Violence against men perpetrated by females not being taken seriously by law enforcement or by the media

I gotta say: I don t feel aggrieved by those considerations.
If I committed a crime whereof I was convicted,
I 'd care about MY OWN situation, not whether
chics were getting off easier. What difference wud that make to me??

These 11 enumerated issues mean very little to me.
Given an opportunity to change them,
I 'd not change much.
I wud not and will not donate $$ in support of any of them.
#11 is a joke unless the victim is sick in bed, or something like it.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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#11 is a joke unless the victim is sick in bed, or something like it.

Just the fact that you find violence against males by female aggressors a joke is validation in and of itself that it's a very serious problem in society.

Please watch this video. It's less than 2 minutes long and shows how society reacts to violence against women and violence against men differently. Hidden cameras record how people react when they see a women being hit by a man in public, and how people react when they see a man being hit by a woman in public. They come to the aid of the woman, but laugh at the man...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3PgH86OyEM

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@nononono,

nononono wrote:

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#11 is a joke unless the victim is sick in bed, or something like it.

Just the fact that you find violence against males by female aggressors a joke is validation in and of itself that it's a very serious problem in society.

Please watch this video. It's less than 2 minutes long and shows how society reacts to violence against women and violence against men differently. Hidden cameras record how people react when they see a women being hit by a man in public, and how people react when they see a man being hit by a woman in public. They come to the aid of the woman, but laugh at the man...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3PgH86OyEM

Because it was of short duration,
I watched your video.
The salient consideration is that when a man of the male sex
hits a chic, he puts her into danger, whereas if a chic hits a guy,
there is very little likelihood of harm to him (if he is not sick,
or a midget, or a very, very young boy, or incapacitated).
I think its a question of sympathy and concern for the weaker sex.
I don t see much problem with that.

If the chic grabs up a weapon, then that changes things radically:
all bets are off.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

This video's a lot better, short and pithy. It sums up the sort of sad sack who constantly bleats on about how hard their life is because they can't get a girlfriend. Instead of asking themselves why they make the opposite sex's flesh creep, they blame it on feminism.

I think nonono is one of the most pathetic losers on A2K.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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The salient consideration is that when a man of the male sex
hits a chic, he puts her into danger, whereas if a chic hits a guy,
there is very little likelihood of harm to him

So what you're saying is that literally every man ("if he is not sick,
or a midget, or a very, very young boy, or incapacitated") on earth is stronger than literally every woman on earth.

So what you're saying is that this man:

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/hungry-man-9740740.jpg

is stronger than this woman:

http://bikeglam.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Iris-Kyle-698x1159.jpg

...uh, huh. Rolling Eyes

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@nononono,

And strength or body size doesn't even need to be a factor. I had a girlfriend punch me and give me a bloody lip once when she was drunk. She was probably about a good 40- 60 lbs lighter than me and a good foot shorter. But she had a bad temper when she got drunk sometimes. Do you think the police would've taken me seriously if I told them that my girlfriend beat me up???

And of course I didn't hit her back because society would have deemed me in the wrong if I had done that. And that brings up another privilege that women have in society that men don't. Society allows them to hit any man they want, and men are expected not to hit back.

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@nononono,

nononono wrote:

I had a girlfriend

I find that very hard to believe.

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