firefly
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2014 06:31 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
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Mass murders are becoming a depressingly familiar routine in the United States -- we can now expect to experience a media grabbing shooting about once a month. And the frequency can only increase as future cohorts of copycat killers are spawned by the seductive opportunity to temporarily gain the spotlight.

Amidst the anguish and heartbreak felt by the victims' families, there are always two haunting questions. What motivates someone to kill strangers wholesale in a seemingly senseless way? And what, if anything, can we do to stop these tragedies from recurring?

The accumulating large sample of mass murderers and their eagerness to explain themselves in print and videos provides a rich data base. Dr. James Knoll, a leading forensic psychiatrist with special expertise in mass murderers will describe the pattern of their demographics and psychological profiles.

Dr. Knoll writes:

In 2013, the Congressional Research Service (CRS) issued a report on public mass shootings. The CRS used as its working definition incidents 'occurring in relatively public places, involving four or more deaths.' The CRS identified 78 public mass shootings in the U.S. since 1983 that had resulted in 547 deaths and 1, 023 casualties.

Most perpetrators are young males who act alone after carefully planning of the event. They often have a longstanding fascination with weapons and have collected large stores of them. The shootings usually occur in a public place and during the daytime.

Individual case studies involving psychological autopsy and a careful analysis of the often copious communications left behind suggest common psychological themes. The mass murderer is an injustice collector who spends a great deal of time feeling resentful about real or imagined rejections and ruminating on past humiliations. He has a paranoid worldview with chronic feelings of social persecution, envy, and grudge holding. He is tormented by beliefs that privileged others are enjoying life's all-you-can-eat buffet, while he must peer through the window, an outside loner always looking in.

Aggrieved and entitled, he longs for power and revenge to obliterate what he cannot have. Since satisfaction is unobtainable lawfully and realistically, the mass murderer is reduced to violent fantasy and pseudo-power. He creates and enacts an odious screenplay of grandiose and public retribution. Like the child who upends the checkerboard when he does not like the way the game is going, he seeks to destroy others for apparent failures to recognize and meet his needs. Fury, deep despair, and callous selfishness eventually crystallize into fantasies of violent revenge on a scale that will draw attention.The mass murderer typically expects to die and frequently does in what amounts to a mass homicide-personal suicide. He may kill himself or script matters so that he will be killed by the police.

The frequency of mental disorders in mass murderers is controversial because it is not clear where to draw the line between 'bad' and 'mad.' The paranoia exists on a spectrum of severity. Some clearly do not meet criteria for any mental disorder and often may justify their acts on political or religious grounds. Others have the frank psychotic delusions of schizophrenia. Many perpetrators are in the middle, gray zone where psychiatrists will disagree about the relative contributions of moral failure versus mental affliction.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/allen-frances/the-mind-of-the-mass-murd_b_5419491.html
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2014 07:13 pm
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http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/18/nation/la-na-nn-mass-shootings-common-20121218


2012 is tragic, but mass shootings not increasing, experts say

December 18, 2012|By Matt Pearce
Smoke from a sniper's gun is seen as Charles Whitman fires from the tower of the University of Texas administration building in Austin on Aug. 1, 1966, part of a rampage in which he killed 15 people, including a pregnant woman.
Smoke from a sniper's gun is seen as Charles Whitman fires from the… (Associated Press )
As Howard B. Unruh barricaded himself in his home against the police -- after finally running out of ammunition -- he got a call from an assistant city editor at a local newspaper who had looked up his phone number.

“Why are you killing people?” asked the editor, Philip W. Buxton.

“I don’t know,” Unruh replied. “I can’t answer that yet. I’ll have to talk to you later. I’m too busy now.”


It was 1949 in Camden, N.J., and Unruh had just killed 12 people and injured four others with a Luger pistol, including women and children.

Although some indications suggest the American public has reached a breaking point after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting -- yet another tragic mass shooting in a particularly tragic year -- such attacks have long been a part of American history, and some experts say they are happening not much more often than usual.

"There is one not-so-tiny flaw in all of these theories for the increase in mass shootings," James Alan Fox, a criminologist at Northeastern University in Boston, wrote for Boston.com in August. "And that is that mass shootings have not increased in number or in overall body count, at least not over the past several decades."

Fox cited a particularly broad set of FBI and police data that counted shootings between 1980 and 2010 in which four or more people were killed: The average pace was about 20 mass murders per year, with a death toll of about 100. Casualty counts fluctuated wildly -- some years would have almost 125 dead, but then be followed by a year with fewer than 50 mass shooting fatalities. Far steadier was the number of attacks, which usually stayed at fewer than 25 per year.

This year has been especially bloody, though. According to a running tally by Mother Jones magazine, whose counts slightly differ -- the magazine excluded robberies and gang violence, to some criticism, and limited the tally to public attacks -- 2012 has been the deadliest year for mass shootings since 1982 by far, with almost 80 dead.

The overall number of casualties, when injuries are included, made 2012 almost twice as bloody as the next-worst years: 1999 and 2007, when massacres at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., and Virginia Tech University in Blacksburg, Va., respectively, inflated the numbers.

Mass shootings make up only a small fraction of the country's overall gun crime. Between 2007 and 2011 -- which saw an almost unprecedented drop in violent crime -- the U.S. experienced an average of 13,700 homicides, with guns responsible for 67% of the killing, according to the FBI's crime reports.

But experts say it's the spectacular nature of the attacks that give public mass shootings such impact beyond the affected communities, with intense media coverage lending extra piquance: five or six or even seven attacks in one year may not be statistically significant, but they're emotionally resonant.

"What we’ve seen after Aurora and what we’ve seen after Newtown is kind of the typical response that we’ve seen over the last 50 years following high-profile mass public shootings," said Grant Duwe, a criminologist for the Minnesota Department of Corrections who's written a book on the history of mass murders since 1900.


Duwe has counted 21 mass shootings between 1900 and 1966, which was the year Charles Whitman took to the University of Texas tower in Austin, part of a rampage that killed 15 people, including a pregnant woman. Two weeks before, Richard Speck had killed eight student nurses at the University of Chicago.

Both of these cases tripped off an emotional maelstrom that marked a new era of public killings in the United States; the two attacks became central points of reference in public debate and started a period when guns became more prominent weapons for such killings.

“We had mass public shootings before 1966, but the frequency with which those cases occurred is less than what we’ve observed since the mid-1960s," Duwe said.

The country saw an increase in mass public killings during the 1980s and '90s, but Duwe's tallies showed that mass shootings had decreased since then. The 26 public shooting massacres he tallied between 2000 and 2009 were significantly down from the 43 cases he counted in the 1990s. (Duwe counts shootings in public places that result in four or more dead, but he excludes robberies and gang violence.)

But Duwe acknowledged that there seemed to be more emotional resonance behind the Newtown, Conn., school attack compared with even the recent massacres in Tuscon, Ariz., and Aurora, Colo.

"What makes the Newtown mass shooting different qualitatively is that we do have a significant loss of young, innocent, precious lives," he said. "That may pack enough emotional power to bring about reinstatement of, say, the assault weapons ban."

Whether any policy change lasts is a different question. Duwe pointed out that the 1994 assault-weapons ban passed after a wave of high-profile shootings in the '80s and early '90s -- but then time passed, and the law lapsed, and the debate has begun all over again.

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2014 07:28 pm
@BillRM,
that is very interesting because by the way wiki counts the carnage has massively increased.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_murder_by_year
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2014 07:48 pm
@hawkeye10,
In fact mass murder by all means not just firearms are at a many decades low.

For some strange reason death by firearms seems to count must more then by fire or by bombing or whatever.

Good old Rodger did half of his killings using a knife but it the guns and how he got a hold of them that matter if would seems.

Ted Bundy in one night killed more people then Rodger using a tree limb and his bare hands

Never could understand for that matter how the Sandy Hook killing of 20 students by gun shots in 2012 is worst then the killings of thirty seven students in 1927 using dynamite.

Mass murders by all means are no more common now then in the 1920s and in fact less so.
nononono
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2014 07:58 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Never could understand for that matter how the Sandy Hook killing of 20 students by gun shots in 2012 is worst then the killings of thirty seven students in 1927 using dynamite.


I'm not agreeing one way or the other, by I think the reason it was such a firestorm was because the Sandy Hook incident resulted in a bunch of little kids getting killed. That resonates pretty powerfully with most people.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2014 08:18 pm
@nononono,
nononono wrote:

Quote:
Never could understand for that matter how the Sandy Hook killing of 20 students by gun shots in 2012 is worst then the killings of thirty seven students in 1927 using dynamite.


I'm not agreeing one way or the other, by I think the reason it was such a firestorm was because the Sandy Hook incident resulted in a bunch of little kids getting killed. That resonates pretty powerfully with most people.


Same with Columbine, every precious white angel is worth three regular adults, and two brown precious angels. 30 or so died at virginia tech and we have already mostly forgotten it, because precious angels grow up and become worth less. This little california multi tool killing spree will be forgotten fast, because of the age, race and sex of the victims. I think only two were sweet looking white girls.

EDIT: Sandy Hook is very wealthy, and I dont remember about Columbine, but upper class white little angels are worth 4 regular adults, actually,
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2014 08:25 pm
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NRA to Media: Don’t Describe Mass Shootings as “Shootings”
Trigger warning: It turns out that "shooting" is a loaded word for the gun lobby
Author: Elizabeth Kulze
06/04/14

What do you call an incident in which an assailant mows down multiple people with a semiautomatic handgun? If you answered “mass shooting,” then you’ve been brainwashed by the media—at least according to the National Rifle Association.

The gun rights group released a video this week warning the public about common media “tricks” designed to sway their views on the Second Amendment. One of these is a simple matter of word choice. “When someone commits a murder, it used to be a murder, right?” NRA News Commentator Dom Raso says at the two-minute mark in the video below. “But now they race to label anything with a gun as a ‘shooting,’ because they know how much more attention they are going to get with that word.”

Raso goes on to explain that this sly technique trains people’s attention on the tool used to commit the murders, rather than on the perpetrators themselves. “Evil is the problem; the tool is irrelevant,” says Raso, deploying some psychological sleight of hand. Raso is a former Navy SEAL who joined the NRA’s new team of fresh-faced spokespeople in 2013.

While the NRA might declare firearms irrelevant in killing sprees, the numbers don’t really add up. In more than half of the mass killings that occurred between 1982 and 2002, the shooters used high-capacity magazines and/or assault weapons, allowing them to fire more rounds and kill more people. And of the 37 mass killing incidents that occurred between 2006 and 2013, 33 of them involved firearms.

Though the media could employ other descriptions (”killing spree,” “deadly rampage” and “heinous horrible crime that should never have happened” are just a few that come to mind), perhaps ”mass shooting” and “shooter” are used for a reason. Not all people who are shot actually die.

Elliot Rodger may have murdered six University of California, Santa Barbara students (with both knives and guns), but 12 others were left suffering from gunshot wounds, including Bianca de Kock, who was shot five times in the arm and chest. At the Sikh Temple shooting in Wisconsin in August 2012, six people were killed, while four other victims survived. And in addition to the 26 people Adam Lanza shot to death in Newtown, Connecticut, later that same year, two others were wounded. In fact, of the 62 mass shootings that occurred between 1982 and 2012, 54 of them included injured survivors.

But thanks, NRA. It’s good to know you’re looking out for us.

http://www.vocativ.com/usa/guns/war-words-nra-demands-media-use-shooting-describe-mass-shootings/

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2014 08:28 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Gloria Bunker-Stivic: Daddy, did you know that sixty percent of the people murdered in this country in the last ten years were killed by guns?


Archie Bunker: Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows?


Love that scene. Point: gun violence is not a new problem,
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2014 08:39 pm
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Jun 3, 2014 / The Daily Show
Jon Stewart Catches Up on the Latest Mass Shooting He Missed Last Week

The Daily Show took last week off, which meant Jon Stewart missed the initial coverage of the Isla Vista shooting that left seven people dead. So he spent last night's episode explaining why this time feels different.

Catching up quickly, Stewart ran through last week's most important news items: "Head of the VA resigned there, we got the true love conquered all ... Oh! There was another mass shooting! Seems like that happens every time we're off for a week ... or when we're working for a week. Actually pretty much happens every ******* week."

So much so that Google has apparently changed the Streetview in Maps to first person shooter:

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/newsroom/img/posts/2014/06/Screen_Shot_2014_06_03_at_8.12.40_AM/1f6fa2546.png
"But America's response to this new tragedy has given me hope," Stewart said. Whereas all the other mass shootings recently were met with "confusion and despair" as the public and media searched for explanations (like divorce, apparently? "That's why 50 percent of all marriages end in mass shootings," Stewart quipped), we've seemed to move beyond that now.

"Something amazing has happened. A breakthrough, if you will, in the way that we deal with the incredibly unique amount of mass shootings we currently experience in this country," Stewart said. "Our grief has moved, as Dr. Kübler-Ross said it would, from denial to anger to bargaining to depression to our most resolved emotional state. I give you: acceptance."

According to Stewart, "that's where we were trying to get all along. It's like America has a dog that's always shitting inside the house, and we solved the problem by getting a brown rug."

But the news still has to cover these shootings, so The Daily Show presented a "comprehensive, reusable, one-size-fits-all mass shooting coverage go kit to get everybody back to apathy as quickly as possible."

The correspondents broke it down:

Jodan Klepper: "Another mass shooting this afternoon. This is a shocking, horrifying story."

Jason Jones: "The cause, no one can say for sure. Possibly media violence or dubstep or gluten. But definitely something that is not guns."

Jessica Williams: "Of course there's nothing we can do to stop this from happening. Even though pretty much every other developed country has stopped this from happening."

Samantha Bee: "And since we can't always stop this from happening, why ever try to stop it from happening? So ... we're good? OK, let's get back to the news."

http://www.thewire.com/entertainment/2014/06/jon-stewart-catches-up-on-the-latest-mass-shooting-he-missed-last-week/372055/
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nononono
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2014 08:41 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
This little california multi tool killing spree will be forgotten fast, because of the age, race and sex of the victims. I think only two were sweet looking white girls.

EDIT: Sandy Hook is very wealthy, and I dont remember about Columbine, but upper class white little angels are worth 4 regular adults, actually,


^^ This is why I like you hawkeye! Very Happy

Yes! And good looking white women are the most "valuable" of ALL victims! That's what REALLY grabs people's interest!
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2014 08:44 pm
@nononono,
Quote:
Yes! And good looking white women are the most "valuable" of ALL victims! That's what REALLY grabs people's interest!


TANGENT: you are new here so you missed this so I will repeat for you....take a look at ads using kids to sell crap, they tend to run 65% little girls over little boys . This is not an accident.

But yes, girl victims are worth more than boy victims
White victims are worth more than brown victims which are worth more than black victims
Upper class victims are worth more than middle class victims which are of course worth more than poor victims.

If a 100 ghetto black males get killed in LA and Chicago almost no one notices ( and not liberals either, no matter how much they cry for the cameras over the condition of the blacks) , but kill a couple good looking white girls and you will make the news for days...or even weeks.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2014 08:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
If a 100 ghetto black males get killed in LA and Chicago almost no one notices ( and not liberals either, no matter how much they cry for the cameras over the condition of the blacks) , but kill a couple good looking white girls and you will make the news for days...or even weeks.


Little black girls are killed all the time in the cross fired of drug gangs and you hardly hear about it even in the local news let alone in the national news.
nononono
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2014 08:55 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:

TANGENT: you are new here so you missed this so I will repeat for you....take a look at ads using kids to sell crap, they tend to run 65% little girls over little boys . This is not an accident.

But yes, girl victims are worth more than boy victims
White victims are worth more than brown victims which are worth more than black victims
Upper class victims are worth more than middle class victims which are of course worth more than poor victims.

If a 100 ghetto black males get killed in LA and Chicago almost no one notices ( and not liberals either, no matter how much they cry for the cameras over the condition of the blacks) , but kill a couple good looking white girls and you will make the news for days...or even weeks.


^^100% true. EVERY word.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2014 08:57 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Little black girls are killed all the time in the cross fired of drug gangs and you hardly hear about it even in the local news let alone in the national news.


We assume that they are gang whores, so we lose interest.

TANGENT: Liberals are a lot like women as paying attention to what they say is almost always the road to be deceived. One must pay attention to what they do. And let me tell you, their actions often do not match up to their words. Conservatives do better at this somewhat, they tend to be more honest.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2014 08:58 pm
@nononono,
Quote:
^100% true. EVERY word.


The truth is not very welcome in America at the moment, if you insist on speaking it keep your wits about you.
nononono
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2014 09:05 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
The truth is not very welcome in America at the moment, if you insist on speaking it keep your wits about you.


I used to have a REAL problem with this. I was a little too "opinionated". Now I'm in my 30's and I know that I have to pick my battles. Sometimes people are just ignorant or uninformed. Sometimes people who are misguided end up becoming good friends when you have the patience to find a common ground Very Happy
glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2014 09:17 pm
@nononono,
nononono wrote:

Quote:
The truth is not very welcome in America at the moment, if you insist on speaking it keep your wits about you.


I used to have a REAL problem with this. I was a little too "opinionated". Now I'm in my 30's and I know that I have to pick my battles. Sometimes people are gjust ignorant or uninformed. Sometimes people who are misguided end up becoming good friends when you have the patience to find a common ground Very Happy


There you have it.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2014 09:25 pm
@nononono,
Quote:
Sometimes people are just ignorant or uninformed.

there is that, but mostly it is a necessary separating out of those who are open to reality based truth and those who are not, those who are only interested in having their beliefs and fantasies supported. Just as today no man in his right mind would ever be open in their sexuality with a woman until we have some reason to trust that they will not run off to complain to the state the first time they are not satisfied we must begin to get to know people a bit before we try to talk truth with them. Not doing this gets you shunned, and thus gets in the way of success.

Quote:
Sometimes people who are misguided end up becoming good friends when you have the patience to find a common ground
Being willing to seek common ground, wanting to understand the person who has beliefs different from yours, goes hand in hand with being open to the truth. I dont meet a lot of people who want to do it, and even less who can.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2014 09:41 pm
@hawkeye10,
Well I don't know what the technical definition of "mass murder" is but I don't include carpet bombing in it, and shooting protesters (although both are extremely violent events capable of taking many many lives) and I'm not talking about serial killers who kill one or two people at a time over a long period of time. I'm talking about one time killing sprees where a bunch of people are killed by some nut on a rampage. Charles Whitman in the UT Clock Tower is a perfect example and so is Sandy Hook.

I acknowledged that my impression that there are more of late than in the past could easily be faulty and I think the LA Times article provided by Bill strongly supports that it is.

At least I don't have to stay on the ban violent videos bandwagon.
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nononono
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2014 09:45 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Being willing to seek common ground, wanting to understand the person who has beliefs different from yours, goes hand in hand with being open to the truth. I dont meet a lot of people who want to do it, and even less who can.


It's hard, no doubt! I've learned that sometimes you can't use a battering ram to break down the door of ignorance; sometimes you gotta grease the wheel a bit. Sometimes if you pull a little bit of charm out, it goes a long way.

I think that most people at a BASE level just want to know that people are listening to them. I think being a good listener is important. Just from my personal experience, I know that if I actively listen to what people are saying to me, those people usually respond well.

Of course some people just have stupidity in their genes. You never really know until you first give them the benefit of the doubt...
 

 
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