Elliot Rodger

@Buttermilk,

Buttermilk wrote:

Shut up you religious racist ****

Nailed him in one.

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Hey Wilso, congrats to you and your Aussie mates for taking Australia off the aborigines, even if some people might call you racist for doing it!
At least you later renamed Ayers Rock as 'Uluru' to keep them sweet.. Smile

If you'd let them carry on running the country you'd have probably had this geezer as your dad by now.. Smile

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/elder_Aborigine_zps2d408bd5.jpg~original

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@glitterbag,

glitterbag wrote:

He would not have been content with visits to a brothel,
he seemed to crave worship.

He told us that he was fully DESPERATE
for social interaction and he was painfully lonely. Yes ?
If u or I had been willing to befriend him,
it wud have given him a lot of relief.
( Note that he even provoked negative attention,
preferring that to no attention at all; to my mind, that is alien. )

glitterbag wrote:

I doubt any of us are equipped to diagnose his problems,

Yea; I 've been there with a girl, over my head
qua being able to help with her mental disturbance.

glitterbag wrote:

he destroyed many families in whatever his quest was about.
I think we trivialize humanity by blaming any isms [????]
for his brutal rampage against humanity.

Maybe I missed something?? How does that figure into the picture ???

glitterbag wrote:

It really doesn't matter if Pol Pot or Idi Amin were narcissists,
it matters that they engaged in slaughter. Any attempt to give
Rodgers an excuse for his actions, diminishes his apologists.

No one has standing to apologize for Elliot,
because no one represents him.

glitterbag wrote:

Anybody? Sound familiar?

No. I dunno what u mean.

David

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@firefly,

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We differ on the reasons for his obsession with blonds. You relate it to that little girl

Not specifically but within that span, "his youth". I mentioned at the beginning of his love of blonde hair, on himself at such a young age. I assumed it was to "fit in" therefore, be more of a white boy than an Asian boy, but it could also have been because he thought he was "short" and wanted to stand out.

His first female friend was Maddy Humphreys. She was English. She was blonde. This I believe is her.

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2014/05/26/elliot-rodgers-blonde-nemesis/

He never had a crush on her, he hadn't hit puberty but she still was the first "blonde" that he encountered and engaged a strong friendship with, had a bath with at 5 and knew for a good portion of his life. He only ever saw her as a friend but later, he clearly admits that he is obsessed with blondes.

Then he was shown "hot girls" pornography and pictures, I'm betting a few were blonde.

Then off course, his first crush on the blonde that was on one of the films his Father directed.

So I think the seed was planted at a young age, for Elliot. He liked blondes.

I'm not disputing he perhaps wanted to be more "white" than Asian, that's evident but could also be because he saw his Father with the power and his Mother as the poorer person, even though she was the one that bought him everything.

I also wonder how she bought him up in her time, as an Asian child, verses how his Father and Step-Mother bought him up as a "white" child, I can only imagine the cultural side from his Mother, the cooking, perhaps talking in her language sometimes, the "giving him everything" to succeed in life, or try to, verses eating out in prestige places with couples or perhaps fried junk Smile

But, whether this made life difficult for him as well. Two homes, two cultures. I agree that he disliked his own kind and was put with them in College as room mates.. They weren't cool. It was the white boys that were cool, because they could get blondes. But, I believe a black guy and an Indian did as well if I am correct. Just not an Asian.

So I agree that he saw white as a higher status but I am convinced, that we all have a "like", for instance I was mad on Europeans as soon as I realised what boys were, I was convinced that I would marry one. I changed my mind as I matured Smile

So, I believe that Elliot saw himself with a blonde.

I only read once where he said he didn't want to die, at the point of the lottery tickets, so I missed the other times but I haven't had a chance to concentrate on reading past 12 other than speed reading at present due to work, was interested.

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One thing I found interesting, and you might too, is the fact that it didn't upset him that neither of his father's wives were white. He simply admired the fact his father could get another girlfriend so soon after the divorce.

This is where I believe he accepted "his" culture and loved his Mother but preferred to be and look more like his Father and so, the women didn't matter who he chose, because he personally liked blondes, so perhaps he concluded that his Father preferred exotic. It's a theory.

I also think that Elliot later, believed his Father had an Affair as to how he ended up with a girlfriend "so fast". But, didn't write that in his manifesto. I think Elliot as smart as he was in his memory, chose to omit things as well. I say this because he already stated how in awe he was that his Father obtained a girlfriend so quickly, which I mentioned back at the beginning as well, if he suspected that to be the case later, it would make him look like an idiot and so, you would omit something like that.

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page 66 (he’s 18): “While walking around, I ran into Maddy, who was there with her boyfriend. For some strange reason, I have never had any sexual attraction towards Maddy,
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despite the fact that she’s a blonde girl and I’m obsessed with blondes.
Perhaps it was because she used to be my friend when we were children, I don’t know. Because I wasn’t attracted to her, I didn’t find myself feeling as much jealousy as one might think I would in such a situation. It was still very awkward. I just said hello to her quickly and walked away.”

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@FOUND SOUL,

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I think Elliot as smart as he was in his memory, chose to omit things as well.

Oh, I think a great deal is omitted. This autobiography is very selective--it's focused on how "my twisted world" came about--from only his point of view. It's basically a justification for his Day of Retribution in terms of how he perceived his life experiences and events.

And one big thing that is omitted is how other people saw him. I don't think he had much capacity for objectivity in viewing himself, and how he came across to others, and how he impacted and affected others--and how that accounted for the way they responded to him.

I think I've gone as far as I can in trying to figure this kid out on the basis of his 141 page autobiographical statement. I would be interested in what others--his parents, his college professors, his therapists, his sister, his few friends from childhood, etc. might have to say about him, and how they saw him. That's a largely missing part of the puzzle for me. But, I would certainly understand why those people might not want to speak up, and they don't have to do so, just to feed the public's curiosity.

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@FOUND SOUL,

Have u ladies ever heard of guys who only date their type, or women who do the same? Deciding what u like and going for it is not a character flaw, or any flawn

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@hawkeye10,

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Have u ladies ever heard of guys who only date their type, or women who do the same? Deciding what u like and going for it is not a character flaw, or any flawn

This was an obsession, Hawkeye, a fantasy obsession, Elliot Rodger had.

He never dated anyone...he never had conversations with any girls at college...

Nothing wrong in preferring a "type", but, if you're desperate to lose your virginity, you considerably limit the possibility of that happening by limiting your choices to a type who doesn't even pay any attention to you.

He didn't prefer a type--he was obsessed with a particular type. His obsessions interfered with his ability to function--to even sit in a college classroom. That's not a character flaw, it's a symptom of psychopathology.

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@FOUND SOUL,

FOUND SOUL wrote:

He never had a crush on her, he hadn't hit puberty but she still was
the first "blonde" that he encountered and engaged a strong friendship with,
had a bath with at 5 and knew for a good portion of his life.
He only ever saw her as a friend but later, he clearly admits that he is
obsessed with blondes.

Based on my experience, I found it odd
that Elliot related his sexual desires directly to puberty.
In my experience, that had no discernible effect on my mind.

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One thing I found interesting, and you might too, is the fact
that it didn't upset him that neither of his father's wives were white.
He simply admired the fact his father could get another girlfriend so
soon after the divorce.

From his writing, I understood that he hated EVERYTHING about his stepmother.
That emotion was probably reciprocated.

FOUND SOUL wrote:

This is where I believe he accepted "his" culture and loved his Mother
but preferred to be and look more like his Father

I think his culture was pure American;
there was nothing to contra-indicate that.

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@FOUND SOUL,

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a family friend who is acting as a spokesman for the Rodgers, said that they were mourning the victims rather than their son.

Elliot was greatly affected by the divorce of Lichin and Peter, often describing the differences between the households. It was all about money for Elliot. He enjoyed his time at his Mother's house as she was gentle with him had a fun attitude " and the energy of her household" .. I have an Asian Step daughter, I know too well how they are treated.

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My mother indulged in me more than my father and Soumaya [stepmother] ever did. She knew what I liked and what I didn’t like, and she would go out of her way to make my life pleasant and enjoyable.”

Spoilt brat that's all that is, is it hatred for Soumaya? Only with the things that she did, to not let him get his own way.. Doesn't that mean he had an illness? Off course, he acted like a 5 year old.

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In more recent times, Elliot spent his 21st birthday with Lichin and his sister Georgia. He described his anger at being a 21 year old “kiss-less virgin” but ultimately ended up having a good time with his family.

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Elliot also took a vacation in 2013 with his mother and sister, and discussed what his future held with her. At a separate time prior, he had called her and his father and described to them how he felt like a failure, as he was fixated on the fact that he didn’t have a girlfriend nor “no real prospects.” She also helped take care of him after he was beaten one night.

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Elliot did get upset with his mother at times. For instance, he says that he will always resent her for refusing to marry “a wealthy man” and move into a mansion. “If not for her sake, she should have done it for mine,” he said. “Joining a family of great wealth would have truly saved my life. I would have a high enough status to attract beautiful girlfriends and live above all of my enemies. All of my horrific troubles would have been eased instantly. It is very selfish of my mother to not consider this.”

His obsession with money as per my reason to label another decease on him, as the means to obtain the "beautiful girls".

FF this is all I can find to date on other people in his life, be it internet or otherwise.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/california-shooting-elliot-rodgers-friends-3607196

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A 19-year-old friend, who asked not to be named, told the Mirror: “Several members of the forum tried to help him but refused to take blame for his beta personality and blamed the girls instead.

“Due to the frequent trolling on the forum, we all thought he was just a master troll. It’s unfortunate he was serious.

“Several members said that he was a serial killer in the making months before it happened. So I guess some members got a bad vibe “I didn’t think he was a serial killer in the making. He just seemed like a guy who didn’t know how to talk to girls.

“He would post about hating women.

“And once he posted a screen shot of his Tinder dating app which showed he had not met anyone through it.

“He would moan that he couldn’t even get girls with an app that’s basically for random hookups of both genders “He was given a ‘red’ reputation by the moderators of the website - which basically means he and his posts were unpopular.

http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/05/29/philip-bloeser-elliot-rodger-friend-speaks-out-interview-ucsb-shooting/

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Elliot Rodger: Friend Can’t Believe He Was Close With A ‘Mass Murderer’

“Elliot was incredibly shy and awkward his entire life and it was clear he had issues, but there was never anything to suggest he was capable of this,” Philip told The Daily Mail. “He never displayed anything even bordering on violence or aggression.

If I’d had even the faintest idea I would have done something. Back in January he posted something slightly worrying on Facebook. It wasn’t extreme or aggressive, but he seemed depressed,” he continued.

He went on to say that he had reached out to Elliot’s mother, Li Chin Rodger, about Elliot’s worrying behavior, and
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Li Chin told him that he was already “being treated for mental health problems
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“Everyone is focusing on Elliot’s lack of success with women, but they need to appreciate he was unable to communicate with anyone. … I remember he once said to me: ‘I saw this really attractive girl today and she didn’t even come up to me, she ignored me’. I asked him if he tried talking to her and he said no.”

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While Elliot mentions Philip in his manifesto often, Philip insists that they were not as close as the manifesto indicates. In reality I was just trying to be nice to Elliot,” he said. “Elliot would usually contact me on Facebook and we would see each other probably once or twice a year. I can honestly say this was the last thing I could ever imagine him doing. Yes, he was shy and yes he was awkward, but that was it.

“The person described in that manifesto and the person on the YouTube recording is not the person I knew. In the video, he even sounds different, he puts on a different voice. It’s almost demonic.”

If he saw him a couple of times a year and conversed via face-book found something odd, contacted his Mother who said, he's being treated, it's hard in my opinion for someone to say " he's not the same person as described in that manifesto".. Demonic I get but I still believe the Forums he joined gave him that identity.

David, I don't think that it is un-fair to not be scientific and only rely on what "he" said as being all the answers. It goes beyond that and that is the sort of person I am, going beyond just what someone states.

Though there is truth in what you wrote.

His Grandmother said he was a "very disturbed boy".

I think we have had, parents in denial.

FF, it's interesting that his parents state they are "not" grieving for their son but the families of his victims.

That speaks volume to me.

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@FOUND SOUL,

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a family friend who is acting as a spokesman for the Rodgers,
said that they were mourning the victims rather than their son.

FOUND SOUL wrote:

Elliot was greatly affected by the divorce of Lichin and Peter,

She was Chinese.
Very likely, her name was 2 words:
Li Chin, or Lee Chin.

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@FOUND SOUL,

FOUND SOUL wrote:

I have an Asian Step daughter,
I know too well how they are treated.

HOW are thay treated ?

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@FOUND SOUL,

FOUND SOUL wrote:

Spoilt brat that's all that is,

I think that Elliot just wanted to have a happy life.

FOUND SOUL wrote:

is it hatred for Soumaya?

Yes. For sure.
The hatred was mutual.

FOUND SOUL wrote:

Only with the things that she did,
to not let him get his own way..

I think she was a sadist.
She did not serve anyone well.

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@FOUND SOUL,

FOUND SOUL wrote:

David, I don't think that it is un-fair to not be scientific and only rely on
what "he" said as being all the answers. It goes beyond that and that
is the sort of person I am, going beyond just what someone states.

AGREED. I 'd never deny that.

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Another campus shooting yesterday--this time in Seattle.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-identify-suspect-seattle-campus-shooting/story?id=24021357

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

Another campus shooting yesterday--this time in Seattle.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-identify-suspect-seattle-campus-shooting/story?id=24021357

I wish that the victims
had been better armed in their own defense.

Since age 8, I brought a .38 revolver to school,
until I upgraded to a .44 revolver. I was not the only armed student.
Anyone who opened up on us, wud have had a short life expectancy.

Its better to HAVE a gun and not need it,
than it is to NEED a gun and not have it.

David

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@firefly,

I'm starting to wonder if this is a generational issue.

I don't think guns are an easier to get now than 40 years ago, but the incident of these shootings seems to have greatly increased. That impressions could easily be faulty so I'll have to check the statistical frequency.

I don't necessarily think that there is more mental illness in the End-of Alphabet generations than in mine (Late Baby Boomer), but I wonder if there might be a reason why mental illness of late, expresses itself in mass violence, more than in the past.

Oh No! Maybe I'm making a case for video games and movies leading to violence.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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I don't think guns are an easier to get now than 40 years ago, but the incident of these shootings seems to have greatly increased. That impressions could easily be faulty so I'll have to check the statistical frequency.

Not true as mass murder rate hit a high point in the late 1920s and is at a thirty years or so low point.

We just hear about it must more with 24 hours news channels.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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Oh No! Maybe I'm making a case for video games and movies leading to violence.

WOW has been known to ruin a lot of lives but more so for the addiction.
Hunger Games? What was the other one he was into, all revolve around death and destruction. Little minds fantasise and little minds, sometimes think that what they are watching over and over and over are real.

I had a massage yesterday and whilst there, the guy was talking to me about medieval swords and the classes he is taking which he loves. He then went into discussing the Devil, his son, God, his son and some zombie day that is meant to occur in the near future. We went onto say that the Devil can't approach this Earth, nor can God that his Son is desperately trying (The Devils) but can only go through people as can Jesus. That they are seriously practicing with the swords for that day, they believe will happen and the Devil's Son, well apparently can be killed with a Sword.

At that point, I think I drifted of to sleep with a headache........

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@OmSigDAVID,

The Culture of Asia is much different than America. (In my opinion) and that's all it is, I am not Asian so what would I know, opinions are fair.

Children are looked upon as future Doctors, Lawyers, Accountants and I believe for the most part, to take care of their parents in their old age.

They are looked upon as innocent, taught to have "goodness" which Elliot mentions strangely though via his Father, they believe that a child can only be corrupted by Adult hood, not by nature.

They are taught manners, the good of nature, life, people that home is to be happy, fun as a child but a child must change direction into Adulthood and become successful at something deemed to be successful.

I believe his Mother tried to take him into that direction, fun, loving home, gifts and then, Adulthood, work, career however, it appears that perhaps she and his Father, in the end were only interested in him obtaining work, it seemed they realised or thought he was not capable of obtaining any high stance as a career would go.

They tend to be looked upon in higher value and the need and desire for a child to become successful as a result.

I think Elliot viewed his culture but wanted to be white and rebelled on that culture but enjoyed his childhood and later life at his Mothers as she seemed to have "given" him what ever he wanted.

But it's evident that he preferred to be with her. Interesting he says nothing much of his Sister at all other than she received a Puppy even though they were both told to come home, his Step-Mother in his eyes, purchased the puppy for his sister, not them jointly.

Interesting that a reverse happened. His Mother didn't marry the millionaire he even told her what he thought of that. Usually, in this Culture the parents are highly respected and not answered back or put down.

She created the Culture of a child growing up in a half Asian lifestyle, she did what he wanted " he never wanted to go past being a kid" and so, if he disagreed with her on careers or a job, or anything in the Adult world, she reverted to making him feel like a kid, including a "kid in the lolly pop shop" the BMW.

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Ok, everyone replying in this thread should watch this

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh6OM3Mii1Q

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