nononono
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 05:58 am
@Miller,
Quote:
Laugh your way out of a load of ****? Get real... You'll laugh yourself even deeper into a shitty sink hole,


You don't laugh your way out LITERALLY. Life is just shitty in general. You have to find the humor in it. Then you win.
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 06:07 am
@nononono,
I think life is pretty GOOD!
I recommend it.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 06:10 am
@nononono,
Quote:
Will u tell us what u meant (hereinabove) qua:
"women who've been falsely accused" ?
nononono wrote:
I didn't say women, I said men AND women. Everyone.
False accusations victimize people, and it's an issue
that's not being addressed by the media.
HOW were the women falsely accused of rape??
Please explain the concept. What happened????
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nononono
 
  0  
Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 06:16 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I think life is pretty GOOD!
I recommend it.


Well great then, you don't need any humor!

Who wants to laugh anyway?
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 06:36 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
UCSB mass shooter Elliott Rodger hadn’t been seen by a psychiatrist since 2012 (though he had been treated by psychologists) but RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively his parents, Hunger Games art director Peter Rodger and ex-wife Chin now recognize their troubled son should have been in intensive treatment for his mental health issues.

Elliott’s 141-page manifesto mentions in 2012 that he had been treated by psychiatrist Dr. Charles Sophy and refused to take medication that was prescribed to him.

RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively that Elliott “only saw Dr. Sophy less than three times, and refused to go back to see him,” adding that his parents “felt powerless” in their ability to make a difference in the situation.


http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/05/elliott-rodger-psychiatrist-mental-health-hunger-games/
hawkeye10 wrote:
"OK son, what ever you want" is the pattern.
Yea, sounds good to me. I 'm glad that as a kid,
my parents were fully accomodating. I had no cause for complaint.
From your posts, I suspect that u have given your kids good cause
for vengeance against u, in your old age. I hope that I 'm rong.
U come across as a sadist, Hawkeye, against your own family.


hawkeye10 wrote:
The kid throws a fit and he gets what ever he wants. Just like that Lanza kid.
Yea, that is, ideally, how we shud relate to one another,
to the extent that we are comfortable with it.
I ofen like to be accomodating; (not always).

Did Mr. Lanza become violent because he was GIVEN what he wanted??
or because he was REFUSED it????
I doubt that he struck out because he was HAPPY.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 06:40 am
@nononono,
DAVID wrote:
I think life is pretty GOOD!
I recommend it.
nononono wrote:
Well great then, you don't need any humor!

Who wants to laugh anyway?
I sympathized with Elliot,
but he had an evil laff.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 07:43 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Quote:
What Did the Families Know?
What Elliot Rodger’s family can learn from
the families of Adam Lanza, Kip Kinkel, and other rampage killers.

By Katherine Newman
May 27, 2014


. . . And the rest of us should ask why someone with such a long history
of emotional imbalance could get his hands on lethal weapons . . .
That 's like asking Y someone with a history
of "emotional imbalance could get his hands" on alcohol in the 1920s,
or Y someone with "emotional imbalance could get his hands" on marijuana or heroin now.
BillRM
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 07:45 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
That 's like asking Y someone with a history
of "emotional imbalance could get his hands" on alcohol in the 1920s,
or Y someone with "emotional imbalance could get his hands" on marijuana or heroin now.


To say nothing that half of his killings was done with a knife not a firearm.

Hell Bundy killed six student nurses with a tree limb of all things.
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 07:54 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
That 's like asking Y someone with a history
of "emotional imbalance could get his hands" on alcohol in the 1920s,
or Y someone with "emotional imbalance could get his hands" on marijuana or heroin now.
BillRM wrote:
To say nothing that half of his killings was done with a knife not a firearm.
Yes, and his car; did u see that gigantic hole
in his windshield, from ramming a bicyclist ?
The FBI tells us that large numbers of people
have been beaten to death just with hands, or with other blunt objects.

When I got out of the hospital, after surgery, in 2005,
I was so feeble that I cud hardly walk; defenseless, without guns.
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Buttermilk
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 08:30 am
@firefly,
I mentioned Mackinnon in my other thread, not sure if you cared to read my response there but she is a hard line feminist. Unlike (I'm assuming) most of the men here I studied feminism. I also took a course on women's studies which was both a good and bad experience. Although it had to take a class for me to recognize my own male privilege I however, like a lot of men do see contemporary feminism as a threat.

Unfortunately, there are women who blantantly attack under the guise of women's rights. Like Mackinnon for instance who thinks porn harms women or if a woman has sex for money somehow men as in the system of patriarchy, are to blame.
nononono
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 09:00 am
@Buttermilk,
Quote:
I also took a course on women's studies


I took 2 courses! I got an A in both! I did a presentation on Georgia Okeefe's vagina flowers! Smile

Quote:
Unfortunately, there are women who blantantly attack under the guise of women's rights. Like Mackinnon for instance who thinks porn harms women or if a woman has sex for money somehow men as in the system of patriarchy, are to blame.


Last time I checked women had free will, and got paid (MUCH more than men do) for doing porn.
Buttermilk
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 09:26 am
@nononono,
Right that is the whole criticism of Mackinnon! But Mackinnon would argue that a woman's objectification is a desirable commodity which is in demand thus is the reason women are paid more. Mackinnon would further argue that since men are in a privileged position, there is nothing desirable seeing two men dominate each other in porn because for Mackinnon, men can't really objectify themselves!
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 12:40 pm
@nononono,
Do u feel like revealing
how u selected your A2K user name ?





David
Miller
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 02:10 pm
@nononono,
nononono wrote:

I did a presentation on Georgia Okeefe's vagina flowers! Smile


How are the "vagina flowers" related to the world economy,and how will such a topic prepare you to earn a living, after your graduation?
nononono
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 03:02 pm
@Miller,
Quote:

How are the "vagina flowers" related to the world economy,and how will such a topic prepare you to earn a living, after your graduation?


Hahahahahaha! Boy, I dunno. But apparently they're SUPER important to feminism! Laughing

One course was required. The other was an elective to help fill credits to graduate.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 03:02 pm
@Buttermilk,
I've never read MacKinnon or even many other famous feminist theorists/academics. Read about some of them. Pretty much no interest. They are out in, er, left field, far as I read. Remember, I'm one who threw out the Friedan book (ok, can I have that back now? I disagreed with myself later.)

We had someone who knows a lot of that academic stuff post here, when? maybe four years ago, and I thought she was nutsy (probably not), but I did learn more about the types of feminism.


I'm sort of getting firefly's avoidance of calling herself feminist (thank you for that good explaino, ff) and her still having mixed feelings.

My view is that the guys who agree re basic feminism and people like me (viva la differance, let us all be able to reach!) are in tune, and form the soul of it. Phooey on academia, let them write books.

I am very very glad that just after many of my cohorts (and me) would never be let into law or med school, had that change. I wish I kept that mcat catalog on admissions, probably now a classic. Of course I tossed it. I remember it had a red cover, maybe 9 x 11, 3/4 inch thick, probably 1962 or 3. Bought it at the student union as a premed.

Your basic no women allowed testimony.
nononono
 
  0  
Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 03:03 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Did you pick yours because your name is David?

Just a guess.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 03:34 pm
@Buttermilk,
Buttermilk wrote:

I mentioned Mackinnon in my other thread, not sure if you cared to read my response there but she is a hard line feminist. Unlike (I'm assuming) most of the men here I studied feminism. I also took a course on women's studies which was both a good and bad experience. Although it had to take a class for me to recognize my own male privilege I however, like a lot of men do see contemporary feminism as a threat.

Unfortunately, there are women who blantantly attack under the guise of women's rights. Like Mackinnon for instance who thinks porn harms women or if a woman has sex for money somehow men as in the system of patriarchy, are to blame.


Well I never took a classes in women's studies but I have read books and articles by women who self-describe as feminists.

To the extent that I firmly believe that short of occupations requiring brute strength or a penis, women are as capable of performing with excellence as men, and that they definately should be paid the same wage as a man who performs at the same level as them, I am a feminist.

To the extent that I find that women should be treated by the law no differently what-so-ever as men are treated, I am a feminist.

It may not make me a feminist but I really like women. I don't know why anyone who is rational would not. There are definately women I don't like as there are definately men I don't like, but to dislike an entire gender, I'm convinced, is the sign of warped mind.

What I didn't realize is that I may be a hard line feminist because like MacKinnon I think pornography harms a lot of women, at least a lot of the women who participate in it.

I'm not, at all, immediately put-off by a woman who considers herself a feminist unless it's clear that that's about all she considers herself. Anyone so obsessed with anything that it provides them with the near totality of their identity will invariably prove, at the very least, to be obnoxious, and probably dangerous.



firefly
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 03:35 pm
@Buttermilk,
Quote:
Although it had to take a class for me to recognize my own male privilege I however, like a lot of men do see contemporary feminism as a threat.

It just shows how deeply embedded, and taken for granted, the notion of "male privilege" is in some men's psyches, that you didn't even recognize it in yourself until you took a women's studies course. That's not unlike why "consciousness raising" groups were helpful to women in the 1960's--it helped them recognize their lack of privilege relative to that of men, in its various manifestations politically/socially/economically in our society.

Why do you, " like a lot of men"... "see contemporary feminism as a threat"?
Why are the ideas --of even someone like Catherine MacKinnon--who many other feminists do not agree with--threatening?

You sound somewhat like the whites in the 1950's and 1960's--who preferred to ignore the more moderate voice, and non-violent strategy of the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., and focused instead on the initially more alarming and radical rhetoric of Malcolm X, in order to claim that the entire black civil rights movement was a "dangerous threat".

Both of those men were challenging and indicting the white power structure--just as feminists challenge the male power structure--but they were extremely different in both their thinking, strategy, and pronouncements (particularly before Malcolm X substantially altered his own views)--yet they were constantly lumped together, at the time, as evidence of the threat posed by the black rights movement. Just as black rights leaders, both past and present, held/hold different views, so do feminists, both past and present, hold differing views. And the most radical among either group does not represent the entire movement.

The main feminist advocacy organization is N.O.W.. What on their Web site do you find "threatening"--and why?

http://now.org/
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2014 03:50 pm
@firefly,
Male privilege is historical, now it is female privilege. Women control relationships, whip the boys in education, and when in the same jobs as men earn more than men.women also continue to largely control how the kids are raised.

Men who get convinced that they today enjoy a " male privilege" are some stupid motherfuckers.
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