Elliot Rodger

Just a comment Hawkeye any human being staring into the faces of victims would feel the same way.

If you want to focus on preventing, read my next post.

The whole reason his parents phoned the police is they have the power to intervene and get him into mental care for observation. They told them about the videos.

Now we note, no one actually bothered to look at them, instead 7 cops turned up and talked to him and thought, yeah, na, he's ok.



Tell you what I am focusing on. Why I started the thread in-case you didn't bother reading, it was for me to take notes and make comments and off course people to join in if they so wish. And, that is what I am doing, they are doing. Don't play the power game on me and tell me what I can and can't write...if you are directing that at me personally. If in general anything goes on the Internet doesn't it?

Whilst I may have a heart, I enjoy dissecting the minds of criminals that go beyond a normal if there is such a thing, crime.

In addition, what could have been prevented. Watching the damn videos that were reported by his own parents as to why they wanted the police to intervene would have prevented all of this surely. We can all see the cockiness, delusions. They didn't even bother to look.

His father said he was gone for almost 3 years, off and on, because he traveled so much while working on a documentary film he made prior to working on "The Hunger Games." I gathered he felt guilty about being out of his son's life for that period of time.

His parents seem to have provided him with a lot of help regarding socialization, going back to childhood, but it just really didn't help much. Well, maybe it did, and he would have been even worse without it.

He really did hate women, Foundy, and all the men who got women, he made that clear over a long period of time. And it all was pretty irrational, and a growing paranoid rage just consumed him And in the end he wanted to torture and kill everyone, and kill himself too. It's a shame he wouldn't take the anti-psychotic medication the psychiatrist prescribed, it might have helped to avert a tragedy.

But, I've got to read that whole 141 page manifesto, from start to finish, to get a better idea of what went on in his life and how things progressed from one stage to another. He worked on it for over a year. So changes in the quality of his thinking should be apparent over that period of time.

Have you read the entire thing? It's very well written. You can read it here.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/226068735/Manifesto-of-Elliot-Rodger
Have you read the entire thing?

Exactly. He was a misanthrope NOT a misogynist.

I'm so glad that someone else besides hawkeye here isn't blaming some fictitious misogyny that "all" men are hard wired with. Thank you Found Soul. It's time we quit finger pointing at men for all of society's ills, and start looking for REAL causes.

You'll probably find the answer to why police didn't do anything lays in the laws the police in California operate under. Not being either psychologists or psychiatrists, I imagine the laws would be quite restrictive on what police can take people away for, on mental health grounds.

A person with OCD for example, isn't a threat to others...unless it somehow deteriorates into paranoia and delusions, and that person has violent or suicidal tendancies.

You can't have police dragging people with mental disorders off willy nilly - so it would have to be fairly clear cases...perhaps when they went there - it just wasn't a clear case that they could deal with.

I don't know about California, but in Queensland, Australia, relatives can apply to the courts to have a mental health professional assess their loved one to see if they need involuntary treatment.

For someone who doesn't like quote unquote "misogyny" you compliment his writing? You also mentioned you thought he was good looking... Reminds me of when the Boston bomber was on the cover of Rolling Stone because teen girls thought he was cute. A reminder of female logic when it comes to attraction...

Why would you think his 'autobiography' would necessarily be an accurate reflection of his life?

Good question.

This isn't necessarily the case by the way. Authors can do multiple drafts. And his wording doesn't show carelessness - this usually indicates multiple drafts.

Hi FF.

I spent 3 hours reading it, before I started the thread.

Admittedly, I did speed read some of it, and hung on to areas that I felt were more important.

I'm not one for being black and white in comments rather grey. The small amount of time I have here, I type too fast sometimes. I am aware why he hated women and why he hated men. That was my point, it wasn't just women he hated.

It's from reading it, that I see the hunger for Money as a belief that women would want him. It's from researching that I see the first girl he had a crush on turned into a Model and therefore was beautiful. The women he wanted were blonde and in his eyes beautiful.

There are things he hasn't written that is coming to light. Such as there were Asian people in his College, I assume therefore Asian girls. He was fixated on blondes, white girls.. He coloured his hair at 7, blonde. He was fixated even back then on being American not Asian. His anger to any other coloured man being with a white woman, yet he couldn't.

Originally he loved his Mother. He never liked his Step-Mother. He got on with a female counsellor but she ended up leaving the job and moving away. He possibly felt she let him down, his Mother not marrying the millionaire let him down. His Step-Mother's taunts of her own son being better than him, will obtain a decent job and won't be a virgin like him, let him down. His Father? I see no where, where he spoilt him, rather where he and his Step-Mother tried to get him to socialise and took him to various outings in hope to do so, or to at least make him a part of the family.

He had no respect. He owned his Father's house before his Father and Step-Mother had even passed away, in his eyes, the house didn't even belong to his sister or half brother, it was going to be all his.

I'm not disputing anything you are writing and how you see it, if anything I agree, rather, I am also looking at "what went wrong" not just trying to analyse him.

or brilliance like with the unabomber...

You're probably right, however, I'd have to google again and check but I am confident that I read, that they contacted initially the Police as they had the power to do exactly that, to evaluate. Whereas at 22, he's an Adult and they couldn't get him to do so.

Also though, I'm bummed why they didn't look at the Vidoes to start with.

You are Australian?

I've already answered FF with my explanation on hate and his take on it.

But, I look at this as well, he didn't just knife 3 Asian men. He mutilated them. His transcript states he would decapitate them. I believe that is what he was "trying" to do.

If his mind was purely on hatred for women, he would not have had the thought of killing those 3 guys first. After all, they were Asian, head down bum up, study, study, didn't socialise, didn't go partying, hated loud music which is why they were leaving, he was apparently playing loud music late at night. They didn't fit the "guys that have the blondes" scenario at all.

Actually, I agree with Firefly.

1. Very well written in my opinion she can correct me, means, his memory was powerful. From the day he was born until the day he died. He recalled every single thing, Autistic people do that. He wrote it in detail, attention to detail. Therefore, well written.

2. Apart from the nose I thought his lips were gorgeous and he had a cuteness about him but dark evil eyes.

I don't see honestly why we can't look at a murder, the same way we would look at a guy down the street and observe. Make those observations and in addition it's part of research as to why isn't it? He didn't not score because he was but ugly, that wasn't the obvious reason and despite being short, he could have found a girl as they don't all go for tall guys, he wanted a blonde, a beautiful blonde and he saw who they went out with. He wanted a blonde because at 10 he had a crush on one, her brother was part of her Fathers movie more than likely as she was a model he googled her as well and took note of her modelling, hating her and it manifested further in his mind to all blondes.

Thank you again Found Soul for this

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/illness-not-misogyny-made-elliot-rodger-kill-20140527-zrnd0.html#ixzz32tLaaNZk

These quotes:

"I've dealt with a lot of men like Elliot Rodger over the years, men who shared many of his resentments, though never to my knowledge, his proclivity for violence. People who are capable of, or are in loving relationships, who have friends, often find it inconceivable there are individuals who exist without either. I've been deeply moved by how common and corrosive it is."

"I've given talks to rooms full of men, from teenagers to grand-dads, who just wanted to know how to be more successful with women. Sure part of that desire was sexual but mostly they were men hoping to meet someone special who they could love and in turn be loved by."

"I've dealt with men with disabilities, disfigurements, weight problems and also obvious mental health issues. Many of them were men of non-white racial backgrounds whose second or third language was English.
Many were incredibly shy, who spoke haltingly and rarely looked you in the eye. It was distressing how many times they told me they had few or no friends outside of family."

"I've had very long conversations - painful, soul-baring conversations - with men about their virginity, their loneliness, their despair and I've walked away from some convinced "that guy is going to die alone".

"It's worth noting that many of these men spend hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars, as well as years of their lives just to be able to do what you and I take for granted - talk to a member of the opposite sex.'

"Tragedies like the Isla Vista shootings make me wonder which is sadder: the number of men out there who feel just like Elliot Rodger did or the people who think this - and not mental illness - is what makes them kill."

INCREDIBLY powerful stuff!


This is what I was talking about when I said:

"In the hypersexualized society we live in it's not hard to understand how badly a 22 year old male virgin could be feeling. That of course does not excuse murder. Of course it doesn't. I'm saying for someone in their 20's who's never had sex it must seem like some bigger than life validation of one's humanity. Especially if you're male and have a stronger biological drive to procreate than women do.

Of course for us people older than our 20's who've had sex it's going to be kind of hard to understand that kind of feeling of alienation.

The man did a horrible thing. But there are more men out there experiencing these exact same feelings (feelings that women can not comprehend.) It's time to start addressing the reality that a lot of men ARE marginalized in society."


This man did a TERRIBLE thing, but I am extremely sad for his pain also. Nothing about this makes me happy.

I agree with this, as I believe he had a very strong Autism in him, not from the point of view of not being able to talk, communicate, but in brilliance, he remembered everything from a baby to 22..

His thinking was really revealed in the manifesto, which I'm not sure anyone knew about until the killings began.

The video that was really disturbing was posted just before the killings.

I wouldn't blame the police for not acting in April. They found a young man in his apartment who was polite, calm, rational, coherent, and denying any intention of harming himself or others. They had no reason to search his apartment. They had no reason to haul him off to a psych ER for evaluation, and even had they done that, he might not have been admitted for observation. He wasn't sounding crazy, he wasn't out of control in any way, he wasn't voicing suicidal or homicidal ideation, and he knew what to conceal--he was very intelligent. He knew how to fool the police, he also would have known how to fool the psychiatrists at the hospital. He would have rationalized away those videos, made light of them in some way. He didn't want his plan discovered because he didn't want it stopped, and he had no intention of telling the police or psychiatrists what was really on his mind and what he was planning to do. Paranoids can be very devious--and dangerous--and they can keep it under wraps. He was suffering from considerably more than Asperger's. He wasn't evil, he was mentally ill.

The private psychiatrist he saw, who prescribed anti-psychotic meds for him, obviously realized how disturbed he was, but might not have realized how dangerous he was. And Elliot refused to take the meds, and there was no way to force him to take them. And even if he was hospitalized, he probably would have refused the meds.

One sign of his being potentially dangerous was when he tried to push two females off a balcony at a party last fall. But he could have claimed that was because he was drunk. But he did get beaten up by others at the party because of what he tried to do. Instead of beating him up, it might have been better to call the police, so there would have been some record of his behavior.

He did give off a lot of disturbing signs, but, unfortunately, nothing clear-cut enough for anyone to take action on until it was too late. You can't just lock people up in a psych ward without very good reason, and you can't hold them there without very good reason--and a YouTube video, by itself, really isn't good reason. He wasn't acting like he was an imminent danger to self or others, although he was voicing violent fantasies. But fantasies aren't always acted on. It would have been a hard judgment call for a psychiatrist to make...unless they had seen his manifesto, and no one had.

An astute observation Found Soul! It further proves that the media and feminism have been manipulating this incident to stir up hatred for men and men's movements.

Maybe I'm going way off topic here, but who cares? It's only a momentary diversion, after all. By the way, my comments that follow are not intended to be a repudiation of firefly. Like I said, its just a diversion. But it's also a commentary.



Here's a photograph of another man who was slightly built. He definitely did not have an imposing large athletic build and was not particularly handsome.



Oh, wow! Look at that guy! What a wimp! Looks like a mild-mannered bank teller. Certainly not a "real man." Look how loose the sleeves of his jacket are! Gotta be spindly arms for sure!

Uh-oh, there's a slight problem. He happens to have been one of the greatest heroes of the previous century. He was Raoul Wallenberg, a Swedish businessman who prevailed upon officials of the government of his country during WW2 to send him to Budapest under diplomatic cover to conduct rescue operations to save Jews from the Holocaust. He saved the lives of at least 10,000 people. He was a man of great courage who repeatedly put himself at risk to save the lives of others. Surviving several assassination attempts, he worked under horrendous pressure. When the Red Army had driven the Germans out of Hungary, Wallenberg was abducted by Soviet agents to the notorious Lubianka Prison in Moscow where he disappeared from the rest of the world. His half-sister once said he "detested competitive team sports." How scandalous!

The late Soviet physicist and human rights activist Andrei Sakharov did not have an imposing physique, either. But he spoke out against the oppression of the Soviet regime at a considerable cost to himself.

I'd write more; but this is already too long, and I shouldn't be staying up so late (for the sake of my health).

Almost every time I hear discussions of what constitutes masculinity, moral courage is barely mentioned as a masculine trait, if it all. Some of the worst enemies of boys are other boys, and some of the worst enemies of men are other men -- which is not to say that there aren't some vicious girls and women as well. But a lot of us men have trouble defining masculinity. We cut down other guys without any supposed input from feminists.

+1 to the post starting with the above quote.

Plenty of people ask 'why couldn't they do something before it all went wrong' and also complain 'they shouldn't be allowed to lock people up with so little evidence'. It can't be both...there will always be some risks in life if a balanced freedom is to exist.