Elliot Rodger

The key word is SOME. Not all men are rapists and murders waiting to happen.

And women kill men for reasons including rejection too. It's not just a male behavior. And it's discriminatory and hateful for you to imply so.

Below is a clip that aired on a national (female centric) TV talk show . A man simply wanted a divorce from his wife and she cut his penis off and put it in the garbage disposal. The women in the audience cheered loudly and laughed, and the hosts made jokes about the man.

Imagine the outcry if it had been a woman that was sexually mutilated and men made jokes on TV about it and laughed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrvDhSB7GHk&feature=share

So let's talk about this.
When did this start?

Thinking back on my high school days I was a bit socially awkward and it was annoying for me to see the most coveted coeds going out with the "bad boys".
There were lots of us, sane and slightly goofy but we never entertained violent plots of retribution.

What caused this rage to manifest itself?

Once again there was no good guy with a gun to stop the bad guy with a gun.

I'm going to re-iterate this because you seem in-able to recognize that violence and hatred are not SOLELY problems caused by males.

Your posts seem to be more of this warped view that somehow this one man is representative of ALL men. And that men must be "taught to respect women more" or some such propaganda. Please read this article, it explains how even RAINN (the rape, abuse, & incest national network), the country's largest anti-sexual violence organization has concluded that the culture we live in is demonizing young men.

http://time.com/30545/its-time-to-end-rape-culture-hysteria/

Feminism is ABSOLUTELY at just as much fault for frustrations that lead to anger and violence as any "misogyny" (which you seem to be implying is just something all men inherently have) is.

Unfortunately 28 of them would be women that had been abused for years.
Men kill women out of anger. Women kill men predominantly out of fear.

Oh stop!
Will all of hawkeye's minions please meet in the A2K lobby?

Not true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aileen_Wuornos

The desperation of hopelessness, the realization that adults have lied to you over and over...in fact that no one was willing to speak truth, and the realization that
The game is rigged against you.

No one is saying all men are on a rampage against women.

But Elliot Rodger was...

You are hearing, and reading, things no one is saying. That doesn't say much for your state of mental health.

No one is saying all men are rapists or murderers. Are you completely nuts?

Did I imply this is just male behavior? I responded to a post panzade made, about a man who shot at women because they didn't want to have sex with him, with a recent example of someone who was murdered for just refusing a prom date.

Jodi Arias killed her boyfriend after he rejected her. Are you happy now?

And I definitely do not feel that all men hold sexist/misogynist views. But some do, including Elliot Rodger.

All I've read from you has implied that misogyny is the main factor contributing to these societal problems.



That's a start. I also really hope you understand that men are much more likely to be victims of violence of ANY sort (INCLUDING domestic violence) than women are. And that we DO NOT live in a "rape culture".

And hope you can see why feminism as a movement has traits similar to racism and homophobia. And that it played a factor in not just this crime, but in demoralizing and silencing men in untold numbers.

The way to combat this hateful movement is with understanding and empathy. If more is done to help people (including men AND women) who feel unwanted and ostracized, that's one solid way (but not the only one) to help stop people from lashing out as a misguided means to end their suffering.

I slightly disagree with you, in that I think he got there on his own. Stuff probably fed in later, but his take was early (in my opinion). The thing is, apparently like the rest of going off half cocked (be honest, have we never done that?) usually get talked out somehow, but in a case like this, I find it hard to envision some therapudic magic..

They don't.

If feminism is NOT about exclusion of men, and it's NOT about feeling entitled to special privileges in society, then why not call it something else?

If it's about equality and NOT about putting one gender above the other then why not call it "equalism" or something to that degree?

I said predominantly....there will be exceptions.
Your example, Aileen Wuornos, led a terrible childhood
wiki
The fear she grew up with I think contributed to her rage against men as seen by the fact that her victims were all about her grandfathers age and she would pump from 6 to 9 bullets into them.
In contrast,Rodger led a privileged life. with only his perceived slights spurring him to slaughter.

By this rational if a grandmother beats her grandson, that's justification to become a serial killer of women?

None of us here take all men as rapists and murder(ers) ready to happen.

I was raped many years ago, and had a hard time after.
I still like men as a generalization and some men in particular. I got to compartmentalize while still being awake to stuff, and I was always right. In retrospect, I love all my lovers.

I have a friend very frightened of men, for her own reasons.

I think the nono person is sans clue.

You were a normal teen, sure you'd feel annoyed and frustrated by that. Just as the average looking, or less popular girls, might feel the same way by seeing the male school stars choosing only the most "coveted coeds" to date.

And you didn't entertain violent retribution fantasies because it's nuts to do that, and you weren't nuts. You didn't want to kill all those coveted coeds, or the guys who got them, because that would have been crazy thinking.

I suspect some of Elliot Rodger's rage may have stemmed from the limitations on his social functioning due to his having Asperger's. And, when he went to college, he was completely out of his depth socially because of that, and he probably was horny. He saw "beautiful hot girls" all around him, none of whom had any interest in him, more likely due to the fact he had Asperger's and poor social skills, and consequently didn't relate well, than due to anything else. But he didn't, or couldn't, connect with that. He didn't connect his poor social skills, to his consequent lack of dating success, he began blaming other factors.

He didn't think he was inferior to the jocks and frat boys who got the hot girls, in fact he thought he was "godly"--much better than the "cretins" who got those "beautiful hot girls"--why he even had $300 sunglasses and a BMW, so the problem couldn't be him. The problem had to be them. That's when his thinking got paranoid and delusional and crazy. And that's when he began blaming those "beautiful hot girls" and the guys who got them, for this terrible injustice that was being done to him. He felt entitled to hot girls and sex--he had a strong narcissistic sense of entitlement--and not getting his "entitlements" was a severe narcissistic injury for him--it was an injustice. His paranoid thinking about injustices being done to him, for which these people had to be punished, was how he dealt with that narcissistic injury. By killing those people, he'd prove he was the "real Alpha male" and that would verify his exalted self-image in everyone's mind.

He just couldn't handle the social scene at college--it overwhelmed his already fragile coping mechanisms. And I think I read his parents had qualms about letting him go into that environment, because of his problems with Asperger's, and possibly some other mental health problems as well. But he convinced them to let him go, he seems to have been placed in supported-housing, where assistance was provided, and initially he apparently did well academically. But then he began getting obsessed with his "entitlements" to hot girls and sex, and his thinking became paranoid and delusional, and his rage became murderous.

I hope you understand that your thinking regarding feminism is irrational and based on ignorance.

And that Elliot Rodger's thinking was irrational and the product of mental illness and psychosis.

And, if you don't, I'm not going to waste time explaining it to you. You have no intention of listening.

The wiki quote clearly stated that she was raped by her grandfather and later her grandfathers friend...nothing about beating.
Nothing in my post implied there was any justification for becoming a serial killer.

Children who lack the power to control their mistreatment often retreat into a fantasy world that lacks right or wrong or empathy.
Female serial killers are rare.

It's possible, but autism and Aspergers sufferers are more likely to be victimized than to victimize others.