The philosophical basis of absolute physics

I'm going to try keep it simple. Information = order. Order leads to entropy. Free will could be seen as part of a chaotic system. I'd welcome anyone to discuss these points with me.

I don't know what was before the Big Bang and perhaps it has no beginning. I agree with Cyracuz in that respect about our minds using narratives to fill in the blanks just cos it's how we are wired.

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@Procrustes,

We humans can't know more than what science has revealed about our environment - only restricted by our ability to comprehend what is knowledge based is available on facts and evidence. Beyond those limitations, we all arrive at our own subjective perception of what all that means.

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@cicerone imposter,

Agreed. Science has given us a lot of information about our environment and as humans it's natural we understand those things the best possible way we know how.

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@cicerone imposter,

The factual state of reality is certain beyond our subjectivity , therefore we have a basis for calling what we know subjective.
Now we are trying to enter upon a new philosophical and scientific confidence that we will eventually own .

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@Arcades,

What exactly is this new philosophical and scientific confidence you speak of?

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@Procrustes,

Firstly the non-acceptance of an unknowable reality construct , secondly, that the present state of science represents the end of the rope for empirical methodology.

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@Arcades,

"...end of the rope?" LMAO Mr. Green

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@Arcades,

What?!.... Forget I asked

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@Arcades,

Arcades wrote:

Because he or she , to create ,would have to have had precognition of what was to be created, and without any relative state , god either did it by mistake,or was merely a conduit for an even higher form, if we are to say that god had an original thought then we would have to accept that god was at one time thinking, which has clear connotations of uncertainty,for a god all things must be at all times certain. And can you think of anything that god could have working out prior to having his or her amazing epiphany

That is one of the worst explanations I have ever heard attempted here.

You said you KNOW there is no creator GOD, Arcades.

Now you are merely defining existence as being unable to have a creator GOD.

Gimme a break.

Save that kind of thing for a humor forum. This is a philosophy forum.

How do you KNOW there is no creator GOD?

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@Arcades,

Arcades wrote:

Firstly the non-acceptance of an unknowable reality construct...

English words once again.

But....

What is "the non-acceptance of an unknowable reality construct?"

Give me an example of an "unknowable reality construct"...

...and then tell me how I can "non-accept" it.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Give me an example of an "unknowable reality construct"

The mind of a woman...

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@Cyracuz,

ooooh, that's a good un! LOL

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@Frank Apisa,

The universe how it is presented now is an unknowable reality construct . People credit god , and credit material principles that are proving insufficient; tacit in that is unknowability as a rational option.

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@Arcades,

Wrong! Not everyone credits god. You must live in an enclosed community where facts and evidence has no place.

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@Arcades,

Arcades wrote:

The universe how it is presented now is an unknowable reality construct...

How do you know it is an unknowable reality construct, Arcades.

You are not arguing or discussing...you are defining things in ways that allow you to make absurd assertions.

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People credit god , and credit material principles that are proving insufficient; tacit in that is unknowability as a rational option.

Whatever that gibberish was supposed to mean...I certainly do not. So bring that up with people who do. But do it a hell of a lot clearer than that almost incomprehensible nonsense. It's only fair.

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@cicerone imposter,

I speak generally. Some people do credit god, and some do accept what science is presently offering. And there are people that don't know science nor god. What I'm saying is that a lot of people succumb to the allure of things being beyond them. That is thankfully changing in the right direction here I believe.

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@Frank Apisa,

And if ci is correct that you are suggesting some people credit GOD with doing all this stuff...

...I certainly am not one of them.

I have no idea if there is a GOD or not...and I suspect, despite what you asserted earlier, that you do not either.

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@Frank Apisa,

To continue on a course that is insufficient for the accomplishment of the original goal, especially if obstinacy sets in , is masochistic, and I'm sure that your familiar with the psychology of masochism. It is dependent on a fear of outright success ,which requires a conscious or subconscious requirement for failure in the individual or group, which is why I said that an unknowable universe is being tacitly presented to us daily.

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Relativity. Potential. And factuality. These material presentation mean vasly more than people think generally.

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@Arcades,

Arcades wrote:

To continue on a course that is insufficient for the accomplishment of the original goal, especially if obstinacy sets in , is masochistic, and I'm sure that your familiar with the psychology of masochism. It is dependent on a fear of outright success ,which requires a conscious or subconscious requirement for failure in the individual or group, which is why I said that an unknowable universe is being tacitly presented to us daily.

I haven't asked you about that, Arcades. We are nowhere near that advanced a question. We are still trying to resolve much less complicated things.

I've asked you several questions, but that was not one of them.

For instance:

How do you know there is no GOD?

(That other evasion you gave just kicks the can further down the block.)

MY GUESS: You do not know that there is a GOD...and you do not know there are no gods.

You are guessing...and then inventing scenarios that require that your guess be correct. But the invented scenarios have no reason for existing...except to do that. They are gratuitous, self-serving nothings.

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