OCCOM BILL has a fool for a client. Don’t try this at home.

Linkat, that is very true. In the wild, male animals are subject to their female's estrus season. Therefore, rutting generally only happens in the happy spring. However, human females do not have estrus, therefore, the mins be rutting constantly.

As an asside, BBB. The personal aspects of this incident have very little to do with my disdain for bureaucracy. As cited on that other post; the local School Board is my favorite target… and other massive government facilities where nothing but paper and citizens get pushed around. The incredible number of government jobs in congress that ultimately do very little since our constitution is, or rather should be, quite rigid. This is where my complaint stems from about bureaucracy.

In this case; I set out to prove that the "have-not's" in the hall (because they couldn't afford lawyers) were perfectly capable of exacting justice (if they were so entitled) without paying the additional fees that many of us consider a mere nuisance. I was wrong. My motion was bulletproof and was denied anyway because I chose to present it myself. I'll happily furnish a copy to any A2K lawyers if you doubt the integrity of my work. The system does screw the underprivileged and I proved it, at least to me. My stamina is returning and I'm now considering fighting this further. I'm fairly certain I can win eventually, but have serious doubts that it will change anything so I'm having trouble justifying the cost and trouble. Either way, it's going to leave a bad taste in my mouth about our system of justice.

For clarification; at no point did I lose my temper with the officer or the court. There is little I can do to get the exasperated look off my face sometimes, but I never resorted to name calling or rudeness. I concede that my body language may betray my outward politeness, but it should be evident that I'm making an effort.

I'm glad to hear that your stamina is returning Bill. That means the hangover is almost over. Psst...a word of advice, I have discovered that banks are not there to help you either, despite their seemingly sincere pleas. I dunno dude...this sounds like one you just won't win, despite evidence and your work. Some things are best left alone.

Hey....I just thought of something....you didn't comment on the rakish tilt of the officer's hat, did you?

Wise words Cav, and I'll probably regret it if I don't take them to heart. The problem is that Ronald Unruh already took the same case to the Supreme Court and won. Most of us would never bother, but Unruh decided he should. Since I too have the means to do so, I'm going to feel a little guilty if I don't. Silly, I know. I better dig out that John Cougar song and listen to it a few times:
"I fight authority, authority always wins"

No, but I did get to demonstrate how far his notes were from truth in court, implying rather than stating what a cowardly liar he is. That part was fun.

I remember the words of Bobby Fuller, as sung by The Clash: "I fought the law, and the law won."

Not very good fight songs, are they?

Hmm....how about this one:

Law and Order
Stiff Little Fingers

Everybody's down in the centre of town
Doing nothing wrong we're only hanging around
They put you up against the wall
Make loud mouth jokes just to make you feel small
Laugh at your appearance and the clothes you wear
Call that justice just isn't fair

(Chorus)
Talking bout their law and order
They don't do what they ought to
Law and order
There's no justice in it
None

I had a friend who was lifted by the law
Lifted and shifted and dumped on the floor
They treated him like ****
Kicked him in the head and then laughed when he bled
Spat in his face and pulled his hair
Call that justice just isn't fair

(Chorus)

I'm not trying to say we're always right
No-one's saying it's black and white
All I'm saying is we don't agree
I don't think like you don't think like me
I hope you never do
And that's the way they try and run this land
How they hold you down and keep you in hand
You're just a pawn in their game
Just another number you ain't got a name
Just a little punk y'know they don't care
Call that justice just isn't fair

(Chorus)

Man, you'll be sooo mcuh happier in Costa Rica.

Bill did the officer ask you anything before you asked the Police officer if he was sure he had clocked you? How was your tone? My husband usually does not realize how is tone is and body language. I have repeatedly tried to explain this to him. Perhaps the officer (right or wrong) took this as being belligerent or as a question on his capabilities? That is what I mean by keeping your mouth shut. Instead of asking that question, it would be better to shut your mouth and wait for him to ask you questions and just say "yes sir, no sir." type of answer. Never give them any information unless they ask.

I was once stopped and I was speeding. When I was pulled over, I handed the officer my license and registration. I did not say a word. The officer spoke and basically said I was speeding. I said I know I was and I should not have been. He actually asked why. I told him the truth. I had a bad day and was taking out by driving too fast, I was being stupid and I should not have been driving so fast. He asked me a few more questions, like where I worked, where I lived and where I was going. I answered again truthfully. Then he began explaining the dangers of speeding and losing control over your car. I just looked at him as if I where a complete dummy and he was a genius. I knew I was off when he used my first name when explaining things to me. He did not even check my record, or give me a written warning. He did however, call me the next day for a date (only kidding), but it didn't hurt that he was young and cute.

Linkat: I have no doubt your instinct is correct. My "tone" has offended people my whole life, I know it, but am helpless to change it. I simply don't hear it... but others do. I don't hold myself blameless. I wasn't the random target of a bad policeman. I was wearing an official Green Bay Packers jersey with the words "PACK YOU!" emblazoned on the back. My plate read PACKU as well, on the back of my speeding BMW Z3 Roadster and it was shortly after the Monday Night Football game had finished. It wouldn't take a world class investigator (or a bad cop) to reason I might be down playing the amount I had to drink. But the fact is; I wasn't. I was honest and I was denied my right to prove my innocence.

I've tipped more than a few beers with cops and I assure you no amount of good manners will make a man fair as well as a woman in the face of a speeding ticket. That's where these guys meet their wives, girlfriends and F-buddies. Your advice is spot on, but don't ever think your husband can match your performance in front of a police officer. He can't. I'll probably get in trouble for this stereotype; but you'd probably fair better than him in front of a female cop as well. :wink:

Right on fbaezer! If I pissed a cop off there with a $20 bribe, I'd be liable to have to give him $100! :wink:

Yeah it probably is true, I am much cuter than he is and I have no problem using it to help prevent a ticket.

True about the female cop as he did get stopped by and did get a ticket. I was with him and he had the tone. I told him even before she came over to be nice. I think I would fare better. I also tend to think more before I speak and like I said even when they are in the wrong, I have no problem swallowing my pride and letting them think they are better and know better. I can be manipulative when I need to be.

I agree with this, but only to a small extent. The only ticket I ever got was given to me by a female cop and I treated her no different than any other cop.

Montana: Like me, darling, you were probably speeding. :wink:

Bill
Fascinating story. Apparently, you just rubbed them the wrong way and they wanted to punish you for it.

And punish me they have Edgar. The crappy part is; I'm probably going to take Cav's advice and let them have the last laugh, too.

You have to know when to cut and run. Apparently, the time is here.

So, I read this topic post as I needed to make my computer sleep and be off to work this a.m.

My first reaction was about what a lucid readable exposition you wrote, OCCAM. (Sigh, I must think of a nickname, how would you feel about Occy? How about Oy? OB?
My second is, think about all this re moving to Costa Rica or elsewhere, zeroing in on how to least impact the old data file.


Signed,

Woman who was ticketed for going 68 in a 65 mph zone in a Volkswagen because they shouldn't go that fast.






I suppose it is too late to fight that one.

Try Legalmatch.com Bill it worked for me. And remember never ever blow no matter what.