disqualification for police/NYPD

you need a college degree to be a cop?
Hell, in MISSISSIPPI, until a few years ago, You didn't even need a high school education to be a JUDGE

lol that's crazy. The education isn't what I'm worried about (you only need 60 credits). The possibility of having a criminal record from the misdemeanor, although it will be dropped most likely, is what worries me

well, the fake id thing is what I find most troublesome. Kids will act up but engaging in what is, in some states, a felony, is troubling.

okay, okay K. Heres the deal. YOU FINISH college, be in the top of your class and then go to LAw School and pass the bar and then sue the bastards for wrongful arrest.

Meantime, you pushed some guy instead of just talking.
That can be a flag.
Maybe not for the police academy, but for the rest of us.

Your response is irrelevant and completely inadequate in terms of answering my question. If you have nothing to say in regards to assisting me in this matter which is obviously very serious to me, please say nothing at all.

Really?

Your anger pulse seems set quite low.
Not just to me, but the guy.

I actually responded in a professional and courteous manner. Your response did not upset me at all. I just don't enjoy being trolled or ridiculed when I am looking for effective and helpful answers. If you have any factual knowledge of what I'm searching for I'd gladly appreciate your input.

what we write is not filtered by our voices. So, I agree with osso that your tone sounded somewhat discourteous.
Maybe I got you angry? No intention, I was just trolling myself, so apologies if you got miffed.

Trolled or ridiculed?

I responded as fit when someone reading about a person using a fake ID and attacking another with mild harm to a table might well say.

You appear to have quicksilver anger and overblown selfesteem, not a great thing in a policing force.

Adds, likes to order other people who answer around.

It's difficult to say how this incident might affect a future application to the NYPD because it hasn't yet been legally resolved. I'd suggest you wait and see how it turns out rather than worry about it right now.

Your mug shot and fingerprints mean nothing in terms of affecting your application--just the fact of an arrest means very little. The NYPD will also take your fingerprints as well.

Apart from criminal behaviors, the NYPD looks closely at personality issues--they do try to weed out those with personality traits that might be problematic in a police officer. In order to do this, they administer personality testing to applicants, and they scrutinize the applicant's past behavior (in school, on jobs, in the military, etc.) for anything that might be suggestive of problems. In that regard, the incident you refer to might indicate you are somewhat impulsive and can become aggressive when provoked. Those are not desirable traits for an applicant to have. If such things are generally true of you, you might want to give more thought to your own suitability for police work.

Being charged with possession of a fake ID does not exactly jive with your self-description as a completely moral person--it suggests you misrepresent yourself in order to evade compliance with laws. That's not exactly a selling point in an NYPD applicant.

Regardless of what happens with your current legal case, the NYPD will consider it in the total context of all of your application materials in determining what weight to give it. In the context of everything else they know about you, it might raise red flags, or it might not.

And, should your application be rejected, for any reasons you feel are unfair or unreasonable, you can appeal their decision, and the NYPD has an extremely fair and unbiased procedure for review of such appeals.

So hope is not yet lost as far as your potential acceptability to the NYPD is concerned, but your current legal problems should serve as a wake-up call to you that you'd better display better self-control from this point on, and stop skirting laws with fake ID's, if you really want to make the cut and get accepted by them. It's not just criminal convictions that could cause your application to be rejected, it's also the patterns of behavior you display.

The only effective and helpful answer would come from a lawyer rather then expect free legal advice from a forum where it's terms of service indicates the following:

I would love to get one but I'm a broke college kid

http://www.nypdrecruit.com/faq/exam-employment



I realize this wasn't domestic violence but the charge (if the outcome does not go your way) + if there are doubts when you take your written and oral psychological exams, might be enough to disqualify you. I'm no authority, but it seems possible that this incident could be fatal to your chances.

Whatever you think my friend

Chris, I know you want someone to tell you there will be no repercussions for
this incident. I'm guessing you are 20 or younger, many of the members here have raised young males and I spent more of my time when my boys were 16 -25 warning them that some things in their lives I cannot fix. I was very explicit about what happens when you get arrested and the sheer stupidity of resisting. No one wins an argument with a cop.

That being said, this incident may not lead to a career killer for you. What concerned me as a mother was the dismissive tone you used talking to some of my peers. I also spent 32 years working along side and eventually managing military personnel. I'm pretty sure the major police departments look at temperament, and it's very difficult to conceal anger issues or difficulty with authority figures. I know the Air Force, Army and Marine Corps have zero tolerance for insubordination. Since you are still very young, you need to do a complete inventory of yourself and find a way to deal with conflict and especially remarks you find offensive.

I actually understand the urge to retaliate, but you need to learn how to temper that ( no pun intended) urge. I hope if this is something you really want to do, you learn to understand how to avoid the pitfalls of succumbing to act in anger.
Good luck.

I don't disagree with that. But, in that instance, the rejection would not be because of a criminal misdemeanor conviction, it would more likely be for psychological unsuitability. The behavior that led to the conviction would simply provide more evidence of psychologically unsuitable behavior, if personality tests, interviews, school reports, employment reports, etc. also revealed evidence of impulsive or aggressive or attitudinal problems that indicated personality traits not suited for police work. They would be more inclined to reject based on recurring patterns, or an across the board indication of problems, or a serious past event, rather than on an isolated incident of disorderly conduct when he shoved someone and a table was broken.

And, in rejecting an applicant, they must be fairly specific in the reasons for their decision, and, as I noted in my previous post, the applicant can appeal and challenge their decision, and he/she can provide independent evaluations to support their claim, and that can result in a reconsideration or reversal of the rejection.

So, I'm not at all certain this current incident might be fatal to chris94chris94's chances to be accepted by the NYPD. In and of itself I don't think it would be. It's not in the same category as "Any repeated convictions of an offense which indicate a disrespect for the law, a lack of good moral character or disposition towards violence and disorder" or a domestic violence conviction, in terms of aggressive propensity. If this incident is the only negative they find, in the entire application package, I don't think they would reject chris94chris94. It's going to depend on what else is in the application package, and what's been revealed in the psychological testing and interviews.

I've heard that Al-Qaeda is hiring.