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Reply Wed 26 Feb, 2014 12:54 pm
The fight of Cape Coral, Florida resident Robin Speronis to live “off the grid” has escalated with the city’s recent decision to cap her access to the sewer so she can no longer use it. It’s a move she calls, “pure evil.”
Since November 2013, WFTX Fox 4 has reported on Ms. Speronis’ ongoing battle with the city to live without most utilities. The self-sufficient woman has lived for more than a year-and-a-half using solar energy, a propane camping stove, rain water, and eating mainly non-perishable food. However, the day after the station’s first profile of her lifestyle Speronis’ home was tagged by the city code enforcement with a notice to vacate.
The story of her plight spread and many rallied around Speronis’ cause sending Cape Coral officials complaints in support of the woman. WFTX reported that the city clarified that, “…municipalities don’t have the power to evict,” and that the notice was placed because they, “…merely [wanted] access to the home to provide suggestion so Speronis can live off the grid in Cape Coral.” After that incident, Speronis told the station, “Cape Coral needs to be afraid of me, I’m not afraid of them.”
In January attorney Todd Allen, who agreed to represent Speronis pro-bono, was served with a five-page amended violation notice that cited international property maintenance code and city ordinances. Allen said that the two sets of codes are not clear, "What is a private water system? That's not defined in either code. But if one code accepts it, then they shouldn’t, the other shouldn't negate the ability to have one."
Last week, Speronis appeared before Special Magistrate Harold S. Eskin and was found not guilty of violating city codes requiring a proper electrical and sewer system. Though, Speronis was found guilty of violating a code requiring an approved water supply. Eskin ordered that she hook-up to the cityutilities. In response Speronis told WFTX and The News-Press, “That doesn’t make common sense. So why would I do that? Why would I hook, hook up to the city water and then not use it?”
Also discussed at the special hearing was the fact that Speronis had been using the sewer system for the past year yet not paying for the service amassing a past due bill in the thousands. After her testimony admitting that she had used the service without paying for it, the city decided to cap the sewer line. Connie Barron, Cape Coral spokesperson told The News-Press, “She also gave clear indications she does not intend to pay for this service but intends to continue to use the system. We really had no choice but to cap the sewer.”
The magistrates order takes effect on March 28 however Speronis says that her attorney can stay the decision during the appeal process. Speronis seems to stands firm on her decision to live off the grid and said that she had a way to do without the sewer system in a sanitary fashion.
 
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 26 Feb, 2014 01:13 pm
@edgarblythe,
Good for her. It's all about personal choice. What's she is doing is not harming others, and doesn't have an effect on others, so they should just leave her to her own devices. Capping the sewer is a low down dirty move. have they capped the sewers of other people who haven't paid their bills? If she is the first, then this is a political move.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 26 Feb, 2014 01:37 pm
@Baldimo,
She doesn't need the sewer system, B. All she needs is a Loveable Loo and


https://humanurehandbook.com/instructions.html

Why don't you get her a Loveable Loo? I think they're only about 40 bucks.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Wed 26 Feb, 2014 02:42 pm
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the city’s recent decision to cap her access to the sewer so she can no longer use it. It’s a move she calls, “pure evil.”

What's she want a sewer for if she lives off the grid?
Can't she crap in a field or something?
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 26 Feb, 2014 08:53 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
You should educate yourself a tad before entering discussions on things that you know nothing about.
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Wed 26 Feb, 2014 09:35 pm
This is just plain silly. I've lived 'off the grid' for long periods of time in two separate places -- Rindge, New Hampshire and -- more recently -- Volcano, Hawaii. Never had any problems. In Rindge I had a military surplus generator to supply what little power I required at night (lighting was mainly by kerosene lamps) and an out-house. In Volcano I had a couple of solar panels, backed up by a generator, an outhouse and a cistern to collect rain-water. (In Rindge I had a dug well which I had dug myself.) Never had the least bit of trouble with either municipal authorities or neighbors. (I was careful about muffling the generator so as not to annoy neighbors in Volcano; in Rindge the nearest neighbor was almost half-a-mile distant. )

Sewers? What are they? You folks is mighty citified. Where I've stayed, you installed a septic tank, if you could afford it, in lieu of sewer. Or buried waste in a place you could be sure would not lead to runoff into a water-supply system e.g. pond, brook or spring.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 26 Feb, 2014 09:39 pm
I think they are miffed because the idea might spread.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Wed 26 Feb, 2014 09:43 pm
@edgarblythe,
Actually, it's quite common here on the big island of Hawaii. Living off the grid is no big deal if you're handy and/or less than quite solvent. I've never heard of anyone living off the grid get hassled about it as long as they have title to the property.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Wed 26 Feb, 2014 09:56 pm
Quote:
Romeo asked: What's she want a sewer for if she lives off the grid?
Can't she crap in a field or something?
JTT replied: You should educate yourself a tad before entering discussions on things that you know nothing about

I'm a member of a prepper/survivalist forum..Smile
There'll be no sewers in a post-apocalypse world so she'll have to crap in a field like the rest of us, or **** in a bucket and sling it in the nearest river..Smile
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2014 06:56 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Quote:
Romeo asked: What's she want a sewer for if she lives off the grid?
Can't she crap in a field or something?
JTT replied: You should educate yourself a tad before entering discussions on things that you know nothing about

I'm a member of a prepper/survivalist forum..Smile
There'll be no sewers in a post-apocalypse world so she'll have to crap in a field like the rest of us, or **** in a bucket and sling it in the nearest river..Smile



I sure as hell hope you don't sling it in the nearest river. That's the kind of irresponsible behaviour that makes the authirities cast a jaundiced eye on some survivalists. Whenever I've dug a sump, I've always been careful about its location so as not to contaminate any waterways. People downstream from where you sling might be using that river for their potable water supply.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2014 09:15 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo: I'm a member of a prepper/survivalist forum
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I knew you were/are nuts, Romeo. Have you got your pasta all stocked up?
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2014 09:28 pm
Quote:
Lustig said:@RF- I sure as hell hope you don't sling it in the nearest river. That's the kind of irresponsible behaviour.....

The only rules in a post-apocalypse world are that there'll be no rules mate, it won't be a picnic out there, so just you stick with your uncle Romeo and you'll be okay..Wink

"Wars, rumours of wars, false christs, earthquakes, famines, persecutions, darkened sun and moon, falling stars, shaken planets.
Pray that this will not take place in winter, because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning until now, and never to be equaled again. If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive.
Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come.
What I say to you, I say to everyone: ‘Watch!"
- Jesus of Nazareth, Mark ch 13


http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/sub3/Sci-Fi-City.jpg
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 07:12 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Quote:

The only rules in a post-apocalypse world are that there'll be no rules mate


It's not about rules, you idiot. It's about common sense!
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 07:27 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
I joined a survivalist forum last year and one of the first posts I made was-
"In a post-apocalypse world where nearly everybody has been killed we'd better head for the nearest derelict army base and help ourselves to tanks and things before somebody else does", but the whole forum went ballistic, screaming at me "NO NO NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT, IT'S AGAINST THE LAW".
I replied to them with-
"What law in a post-apoc world??? You bunch of soft wusses, you won't last 5 minutes when it hits the fan!" and walked out..Smile
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2014 01:06 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

I joined a survivalist forum last year and one of the first posts I made was-
"In a post-apocalypse world where nearly everybody has been killed we'd better head for the nearest derelict army base and help ourselves to tanks and things before somebody else does", but the whole forum went ballistic, screaming at me "NO NO NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT, IT'S AGAINST THE LAW".
I replied to them with-
"What law in a post-apoc world??? You bunch of soft wusses, you won't last 5 minutes when it hits the fan!" and walked out..Smile


Maybe they didn't understand the statement? That seems like a basic strategy to me. the only issue I could think of would be what caused the apocalypse... If it was a war, then the nearest military bases may just be a radiation zone to avoid. Not too many survivalists pack a radiation detector as standard gear.
roger
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2014 06:08 pm
@McGentrix,
Or, if it's not a radioactive site, those tanks are probably occupied by people who know exactly how to defend them. You know, solders.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2014 06:20 pm
@roger,
I'm for finding a hole and crawling in it.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2014 07:45 pm
@edgarblythe,
There's one major issue not mentioned in that article: her motive for going off grid. What was her position on paying taxes? Was she going off the proverbial grid so she felt she didn't need to pay taxes?

If that's the case, does someone who refuses to pay their legally owed taxes deserve community utilities as access to the sewer system and the maintenance of said system?
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Tue 18 Mar, 2014 08:43 pm
@tsarstepan,
When I was a resident of the great state of New Hampshire one of my favorite things about my home state was its official motto: LIVE FREE OR DIE,

Living "free" off the grid isn't abut not paying your taxes. Render unto Caesar etc. etc. It's about getting back in touch with nature and a less "civilized" way of life and being free of the money-grasping public utilities companies . I can do quite nicely without electric power. My grandparents did.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 18 Mar, 2014 09:07 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Merry: I can do quite nicely without electric power. My grandparents did.

He says as he bicycle generates electricity for his computer.
 

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