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Why should I believe in the concept of god?

 
 
akaMechsmith
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2004 08:53 pm
Foxfyre, I think some of my troubles with Deists and deists is that they apparently refer to different things whether or not the word is capitalized.

After thinking about a while I am not too sure that I used it in the incorrect manner in the first place Confused

I am reasonably certain that my interests are catholic Exclamation

I am equally certain that my interests are not Catholic Exclamation

Have a good evening, M Smile


PS, I think that your signature regarding Thomas Sowell is a bit off the mark. Surprised Question
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mesquite
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2004 09:39 pm
akaMechsmith wrote:
PS, I think that your signature regarding Thomas Sowell is a bit off the mark. Surprised Question

I'll second that! I believe it is Scrat that also uses Thomas Sowell quotes. If I were to guess the title of a Sowell book of quotes, it would be "An Upside Down World" or "Inside Out" or "Black = White", something like that. Laughing
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Cephus
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2004 02:13 am
doglover wrote:
Yes, Cephus, believing in God DOES make me feel better. That's because, I've FELT God's presence at certain times in my life.


How do you know? How do you know that instead of feeling God, you didn't feel the 'devil' of another pantheon, sent to mislead you from the one true path? How do you know that your brain wasn't malfunctioning? How do you know that you didn't get abducted by aliens and their mind-control beams aren't affecting you? How do you know any of this, it's all empty claims without some objective support.

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Someone HAD to create the universe and all life forms, IMO. Maybe I'm wrong...maybe everything just HAPPENED. I don't know. Faith isn't logical Cephus. It's mystical and highly personal... faith defies logic. While you may consider faith a weakness and an irrational way to live one's life(and that certainly is your perogative to do so) I don't.


Faith without some logical basis is worthless. Otherwise, why is it better to believe in God than it is to believe in Allah or Vishnu or Enki or any of the millions of other deities man has invented to believe in?

Faith doesn't defy logic, faith flies in the face of logic. Faith is wishful thinking and warm, fuzzy feelings. Faith is wanting something that doesn't exist in objective reality. Sure, it would be nice to have a million dollars, but all the faith in the world doesn't make it so. Faith in Santa Claus doesn't put presents under the tree.

Besides, the evidence shows that the universe came into being just fine without resorting to mystical father figures in the sky. That's what education gives us. Lack of education and failure to examine the evidence gives us ignorance and failure to comprehend reality.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2004 12:34 pm
My Thomas Sowell quote is off what mark?

Mesquite writes:
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If I were to guess the title of a Sowell book of quotes, it would be "An Upside Down World" or "Inside Out" or "Black = White", something like that.


I know you probably didn't mean it that way, but comments like this strike me as pointedly racist.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2004 12:42 pm
akaMechsmith writes:
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Foxfyre, I think some of my troubles with Deists and deists is that they apparently refer to different things whether or not the word is capitalized.


You're quite right but I believed I used upper and lower case correctly. Little 'd' diest refers to the previously posted definition on this thread, though I do believe that definition could be expanded somewhat. Capital "D" Diest as I used it refers to a specific religious belief held by a number of the founding fathers.

As you inferred in your post, little 'c' catholic means universal. Capital "C" Catholic generally refers to the Roman Catholic Church.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2004 01:56 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
My Thomas Sowell quote is off what mark?

Mesquite writes:
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If I were to guess the title of a Sowell book of quotes, it would be "An Upside Down World" or "Inside Out" or "Black = White", something like that.


I know you probably didn't mean it that way, but comments like this strike me as pointedly racist.

But you just had to say it anyway? Shocked

What I was trying to express however poorly was opposites. For instance your line would be better as

"The older I get, the more I realize that not arguing on the basis of facts and logic only gets you labeled as someone who is out of step with the times, if not lacking in compassion".
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2004 02:04 pm
No, I think Thomas Sowell meant it exactly as he wrote it.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2004 03:16 pm
I am sure he did. This is the other quote that I had in mind when I made the remark about Sowell quotes.

"A careful definition of words would destroy half the agenda of the political left and scrutinizing evidence would destroy the other half." - Thomas Sowell"

I guess is it all in the perception of who is blowing smoke.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2004 05:55 pm
One would have to read Sowell to know exactly what he meant by that. While he has a wonderful sense of humor, he has a comprehensive rationale for all the opinions he holds. And it is very difficult to debate him on either logic or facts and win. He is much more of a social commentator than a political one. I don't have a clue what his religious beliefs are.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Fri 7 May, 2004 09:11 pm
A quote worth quoting will stand on it's own merits without requiring the reading of a book to decipher it. That one on it's own is drivel.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 8 May, 2004 09:00 pm
Mesquite writes:
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A quote worth quoting will stand on it's own merits without requiring the reading of a book to decipher it. That one on it's own is drivel.

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Between believing a thing and thinking you know is only a small step and quickly taken. -- Mark Twain


Well at least it's properly punctuated. Yours on the other hand. . .
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 8 May, 2004 09:04 pm
Oh, great: apostrophes as swords. I have an a2k link on the matter of grammar instruction in daily life; back in a minute.



Here, then:
recent NYT editorial on grammar correction


I know this is tangential to the topic question, can't help m'fussin'.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Sat 8 May, 2004 10:38 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
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Between believing a thing and thinking you know is only a small step and quickly taken. -- Mark Twain

Well at least it's properly punctuated. Yours on the other hand. . .

Who am I to correct Mark Twain? Since it bothers you though, it was time for a rotation anyway.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 9 May, 2004 01:21 am
Okay I can be a sport. I changed mine too. Smile
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