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Unfortunately this is a draw back of a free society. Freedom of speech. If you don't like them talking with you, you are completely free to tell them to f*ck off. I just enjoy the conversation, use up their time and then politely say I already attend a church I am happy with. As far as telemarkers, I have a spy phone. If I don't recognize the name or number or if it says unknown, I don't answer. Or you could use your answering machine to screen. Or even better use some of these best responses to telemarkers: http://funwithtelemarketers.com/

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It is probably no accident that freedom of speech is the first freedom mentioned in the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

http://www.aclu.org/FreeSpeech/FreeSpeechMain.cfm

The concept of "freedom of speech" refers to the government, not individuals. In the US, freedom of speech refers to CONGRESS being proscribed from creating laws abridging free speech.

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Linkat wrote:

Unfortunately this is a draw back of a free society. Freedom of speech. If you don?t like them talking with you, you are completely free to tell them to f*ck off. I just enjoy the conversation, use up their time and then politely say I already attend a church I am happy with. ..........

i look at from the basis that there 'one "born again" every munute' (P.T. Barnum - paraphrased), and if they want to discuss it with me they take their chances of joining the 'unborn'!
[but usually they don't want to 'discuss', only to 'tell'.]

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Exactly Phoenix. The government cannot make a law abridging freedom of speech. Which means this allows individuals to speak their mind.

Also, from your link it states"The First Amendment exists precisely to protect the most offensive and controversial speech from government suppression. The best way to counter obnoxious speech is with more speech. Persuasion, not coercion, is the solution. " I think this applies to Born Agains approaching you and speaking their mind - it is protecting them to give their controversial speech to you and the government cannot stop it. Same as you being able to say f*ck you - thus the best way to counter this obnoxious speech.

I like your viewpoint BoGoWo!

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If people were born right the first time, they would not need to be born again.

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Freedom of speech??? I don't like people feeling free to knock on my door and waste my time. Telling them to f#ck off isn't all that easy either. I call it freedom of irritation, but all I want is freedom FROM irritation. Smile

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I think this applies to Born Agains approaching you and speaking their mind - it is protecting them to give their controversial speech to you and the government cannot stop it.

No, the government can't stop it. But as an individual, I can. If a person is in a restaurant, and starts cussing, or is otherwise verbally obnoxious, the restauranteur has the perfect right to eject him.

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Knocking on your door is trespassing. I mean some one coming up to you on a public street or on the subway.

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Cannot a person be arrested for cussing and being generally obnoxious in a restaurant on grounds of "disturbing the peace?" Most people who behave that way are probably indictable for "public drunkedness."

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Cannot a person be arrested for cussing and being generally obnoxious in a restaurant on grounds of "disturbing the peace?"

I do believe so!

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A cop once threatened to take me to jail for using the word "sucks" and I was not being loud or anything.

I was in Blockbuster and my friend said "how about this move" and I said "nah, that movie sucks", he threatened to take me to jail on the grounds of "disturbing the peace".

I was polite to him and told him that given that he was the only person within earshot of me in a crowded store he'd have a hard time making that case (I think he was mad because he was carrying the very movie).

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On the "B" bus back from Boulder yesterday (say that ten times fast) the person sitting next from me opened with "May I share the word of god with you?"
I took a cue from Tanya Huff and replied with "Which one? I always enjoy hearing the old guy try and pronounce aluminium."
The guy didn't say anything after that, but glanced surreptitiously at me for the rest of the bus ride. Very Happy

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That is exactly what I mean about not getting angry at these individuals trying to sell you something, whether it is a product or the word of God. Instead make it funny for you. You have a laugh and they get annoyed.

I once saw a program where some comedian made it his life ambition to get back at telemarketers. He once found out where there was a telemarketing convention, got the list of attendees and their hotel room numbers. He then proceeded to call their rooms in the middle of night pretending to be a telemarketer and tried to sell them something.

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L.R.R.Hood wrote:

I feel the same way. Having a "no soliciting" sign doesn't help either... they say they aren't a business, HA!

I just tell them I'm Catholic or Jewish. They don't say much after that.

We have a 'no soliciting' sign on our storm door. Whenever someone comes a knocking trying to sell something, I simply point to the sign. 9 times out of 10 they get a puzzled look on their face and don't say anything. I always enjoy shutting the door in their face.

I told a Jehova Witness once that I'm Lutheran. He told me that my religion was going to condem me to a life of damnation. I said that's okay, I'm having a HELL of Goddamn good time while I'm alive! Then I told him to be on his way....I had sins to commit.

That's good stuff Linkat!

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doglover wrote:

We have a 'no soliciting' sign on our storm door. Whenever someone comes a knocking trying to sell something, I simply point to the sign. 9 times out of 10 they get a puzzled look on their face and don't say anything. I always enjoy shutting the door in their face.

The best way I've found is to invite them in and show them that you understand their beliefs better than they do. Have a whole lot of hard questions that they can't answer available and they'll promise to come back with the answers. They'll never show up, of course...

Nobody comes to my door anymore. I've got to be on some black list somewhere or something.

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Why don't they approach me any more? Since reaching my 30s or so (and I have always looked young for my age), they do not speak with me any more. Why do you think that is?

I can find the source for this if I look, but for now please take this as my memory from a recent workshop series I attended:

The late "Boomers" (born 1946 to 1964) were the first generation to not return to the Church. (As the USA was predominently Christian up to the 80's or 90's, the focus of the workshop was on Christianity though probably a study of other some other faiths could show similar trends).

The chldren of the late Boomers, the "Generation Xers", are the first generation to have no Christian memory and it is largely these who are today's agnostics and athiests. (I'm speaking of sociological trends now, not attempting to put any specific individual or individuals into a pat formula.)

I think it is probably this trend that has resulted in there being fewer young missionary minded Christians witnessing on college campuses, in the work place whatever. This is not unprecedented in history, however.

Encouraging to the Christians and perhaps much less so to the athiests, every time in the past this has happened, there have been huge revival movements with tent meetings and baptisms galore. Just so ya'll know what's coming. Smile

I'm kidding. I'm kidding!

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Sadly, I think you may be right.

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Fortunately, we have science to dispel any notions of a general revival movement. The day when people could believe superstition is drawing to a close.

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Well I dunno Edgar. I teach a class to about 30 adults all of whom say they are Christians. Almost all are college educated including a few PhDs, and they have included engineers, a physicist, a geologist, a couple of nuclear scientists, and several teachers. You would have a hard time convincing any of these people that Christianity is superstition.

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Atheists are common among most of the fields you mentioned.

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