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When do we cease to exist?

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 07:05 pm
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:
I don't either...I think we can transform into something else.
From the standpoint of energy and matter.
U need not transform;
just take off your meat suit.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 07:09 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Selfness, is not information, but rather (self) informing.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 07:12 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:
Selfness, is not information, but rather (self) informing.
Is it possible
to tell yourself something that u do not already know ?
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 07:17 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Let me put it this way, the transition is when you become aware that you know it.
Self informing does not intend to mean you are informing yourself which is nonsense, but rather that information is becoming "in formed" within yourself.
Is not that you willingly consciously inform yourself but rather that the processing of information happens to "you".
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 07:44 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:
Let me put it this way, the transition is when you become aware that you know it.
Self informing does not intend to mean you are informing yourself which is nonsense,
but rather that information is becoming "in formed" within yourself.
Is not that you willingly consciously inform yourself but rather
that the processing of information happens to "you".
Yes.
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Germlat
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 07:49 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Why are you deducing your consciousness will unite these patterns? Perhaps it might consider them as associations. I think you're taking the transitive property of equality too far. Example: team A defeats team B. Team B defeats team C. So..therefore, team A will defeat team C...Not so much.
Germlat
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 07:51 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
But that's the thing...the meat suit transforms. The mind can leave a legacy when it's great..or even small. Romantic...isn't it.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 07:52 pm
@Germlat,
How ?
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 07:54 pm
@Germlat,
I was not implying the union of patterns is always legitimate, it sure is association.
Hallucinations, misunderstandings delusions of all sorts are all a part of what you are more often then not. Pattern recognition very often is misguided. Humans tend to see patterns even in random backgrounds, specially faces, it is a well known fact. In turn sometimes we observe actual patterns and that is justified in the successful adaptation of the species into the surrounding world. So I see no problem with this either.
Germlat
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 07:57 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Well...the meat suit can degrade into heat/energy as matter does. The product of the mind can be around for a long time. For example, any type of documented knowledge.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 07:59 pm
@Germlat,
Heat, energy, are all about information transfer...check this out:
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Germlat
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 08:03 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Ok...that I can agree with. Patterns are about balance and harmony I think. Although, there are pattern disruptions...and they can be part of a pattern as well.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 08:07 pm
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:
Well...the meat suit can degrade into heat/energy as matter does.
The product of the mind can be around for a long time.
For example, any type of documented knowledge.
People have remembered information (adventures)
that ante-dated existence of the meat suit.
Germlat
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 08:10 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Are you referring to instinct ? Or past lives...surely not.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 08:28 pm
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:
Are you referring to instinct ? Or past lives...surely not.
not lives, but the continuation of life
which is sometimes incarnated

I like the way it was expressed by Deepak Chopra, M.D.:
people believe that we are human beings with occasional spiritual experiences,
but we are spiritual beings, with occasional human experiences.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 08:28 pm
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:
Are you referring to instinct ? Or past lives...surely not.
not lives, but the continuation of life
which is sometimes incarnated

I like the way it was expressed by Deepak Chopra, M.D.:
people believe that we are human beings with occasional spiritual experiences,
but we are spiritual beings, with occasional human experiences.
Germlat
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jul, 2014 06:55 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Hinduism? I thought you were Christian for some reason.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jul, 2014 07:01 am
@Germlat,
I 'm no Hindu.
What I have accepted most is
the testimony, the nationwide consensus,
from people who have returned from death
in hospitals and relate their "during death" adventures.
Germlat
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jul, 2014 07:07 am
@OmSigDAVID,
You said..." continuation of life which is sometimes incarnated." That's a principle of Hinduism. I'm not criticizing you. I think personal beliefs are very complex.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jul, 2014 07:26 am
@Germlat,
It is beyond my ability
to prevent the Hindus from agreeing with me.
 

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