What Christmas Means To Me

@maxdancona,

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and being nice to other people

a short term inconsequential often phony niceness, but better than our normal behavior right?? hip hip hooray.

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@blueveinedthrobber,

Christmas means it's time I brushed-up on "A Visit From St. Nicholas". It's not easy having people believing in Santa Claus, but if I can remind them that he's not a big hefty man drinking Coca-Cola, but a little old elf ...with a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer. Oh if now, I can just get the child within to remember, what a Merry Christmas it will be.

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I absolutely LOVE Thanksgiving...and I like Christmas a lot. It is a time of year where there are good feelings among people...and although I am not into religion, I can enjoy many of the various aspects of the season.

We can care about each other...it is not necessary to be hostile to each other all the time.

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@blueveinedthrobber,

blueveinedthrobber wrote:

The season is upon us...the one where people who have been posting all year "Why should I give up any of my tax money so moochers, system gamers, wetbacks and their anchor babies can eat and go to the doctor" start posting their "Let's put the Christ back in Christmas" memes and messages.

Its an IMPORTANT part, a nostalgic part, of the culture war
to preserve and to take back America from the disloyal deviationists
[with my italics, I 'm trying to suggest perverted twisting out of shape] and to restore the original,
liberty-based America: (as amended, per Article 5) what the Sons of Liberty had in mind.

The difference between charity and robbery is volition,
free from the extortion of robbers (including government), who
in some cases, may wish to apply the looted property to medical purposes
or to dining n drinking.

In the 1940s and 1950s, I did not think of Christmas as being a patriotic holiday.
It has become that of late.

I will fight for Christmas and liberty.

David

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

Christianity, as it is practiced today, has very little to do with the life of Jesus. Jesus was about loving, forgiving and healing the sick. Today's Christians run around hating gays, keeping people from getting healthcare and yelling against "Amnesty" (which is just another word for forgiveness).

If only Christians acted like Jesus did....

More nonsensical bigotry from someone who religiously denounces bigotry.

Certainly some Christians do as you suggest but to describe them as "Today's Christians" and representative of all Christians is simply ridiculous...and bigoted.

I doubt very much that you would really like all Christians to act like Jesus.
Can you imagine billions of people preaching all day; every day?

I'm sure there are a quite a few Christians who endeavor to emulate Jesus, but to expect them all to be totally successful is pretty absured. The guy is supposed to be God after all.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

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The term Dark Ages is currently referred to as the Middle Ages,

Foofie...are you sure of that????

Look it up; I'm not your subordinate.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

that's difficult to argue with

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

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The term Dark Ages is currently referred to as the Middle Ages, since they weren't dark per se, but the classics of the ancients were being copied by monks in monestaries.

And, "civilized" is used in its micro/individual meaning; people did not enjoy seeing a lion eat a person.

I assume you know what Christians were doing to Jews during this time. I don't consider that very "civilized", do you?

It was quite acceptable, under the tutelage of the Catholic Church. You might be confusing anti-Semitism with non-civilized behavior. The two can be mutually exclusive, since disenfranchising Jews from membership in Guilds, not being allowed to own land, nor go to a University, is not uncivilized. It is just anti-Semitic, again well worth repeating, under the tutelage of the Catholic Church. Do not forget that Jews in a European Kingdom belonged to the King, just like the deer in the King's forest. So, you might be making judgements based on trying to equate medieval society with a liberal modern society. Silly boychick (in my opinion, of course).

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There is a basic assumption to this thread that if you do not like the idea of the government taking your money to spend on other people you are not very "Christian," and if you are a Christian and feel this way, you are a hypocrite.

I'm hardly a student of the New Testament, but I do recall Jesus was said to have commented something like "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and unto God that which is God's"

It's pretty popular these days for liberals to insist that Jesus was a liberal himself or even a socialist.

It seems to me that he really wasn't all that interested in what government did as much as what people did.

I'm not sure he would have seen it all that wonderful for people to express their charity through paying taxes and voting for massive welfare programs.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

The "I'm Finn, a grizzled, pragmatic Maverick" train. Never late. Your statement about how if everyone acted like Jesus we'd just have people preaching all the time is as full of **** as you are. Jesus did WORKS to clearly illustrate the virtues he preached about. . Lot's of them. Son of God or crazy religious nut, he put His money where His mouth was.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

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Christmas is now a celebration of indulgence and consumption, and will be for the forseeable future.

For most people today it is celebration of indulgence, consumption and being nice to other people. In my opinion, this is a pretty good way to celebrate it.

Or, for many Jews to go out to a Chinese restaurant, so their businesses makes some money for the day.

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@blueveinedthrobber,

Well see, you're much more of an expert on Jesus than am I.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

one thing that I find interesting is that till recently Christmas was considered a time for family and tradition, but I don't see that as much now. Maybe this is just me noticing differently, but I now hear a lot of folks say that they dont care what the tradition is, they will do what they want to do (for instance cook less and lighter). also I am hearing "I dont enjoy having all the family around, it is a pain, so count me out". to me this is just another sign that we are becoming more self indulgent, less tolerant.

Well, if the Second Coming occurred on his birthday, he might just want to eat a nice Kosher meal? He might even wonder why all the Gentiles are so infatuated with him?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

I'm not sure he would have seen it all that wonderful for people to express their charity through paying taxes and voting for massive welfare programs.

He only proselytized to the Jews. Blame St. Paul for bringing the philosophy to everyone else.

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@blueveinedthrobber,

blueveinedthrobber wrote:

The "I'm Finn, a grizzled, pragmatic Maverick" train. Never late. Your statement about how if everyone acted like Jesus we'd just have people preaching all the time is as full of **** as you are. Jesus did WORKS to clearly illustrate the virtues he preached about. . Lot's of them. Son of God or crazy religious nut, he put His money where His mouth was.

In that land where some people claim was the indigenous land of the Palestineans. White man speaks with forked tongue?

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

What is your definition of the word "civilized"?

What is your definition of the word?

And when was this "Christian Age?" I tried to look it up and can't find it.

If you mean what foofy rightly calls the Middle Ages, when was there ever a time without war, murder and rape.

As for the "destruction of culture" and "rejection of knowledge" it is precisely because this was not the case which has led to the disuse of the term "Dark Ages"

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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There is a basic assumption to this thread that if you do not like the idea of the government taking your money to spend on other people you are not very "Christian," and if you are a Christian and feel this way, you are a hypocrite.

I'm hardly a student of the New Testament, but I do recall Jesus was said to have commented something like "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and unto God that which is God's"

It's pretty popular these days for liberals to insist that Jesus was a liberal himself or even a socialist.

It is much more than that.

Jesus was about forgivenness. Todays "Christians" are militantly against amnesty.
Jesus said "turn the other cheek". Todays "Christians" are passing deadly Stand your Ground laws.
Jesus said "do not judge". Today's "Christians" are doing everything they can to stop the "homosexual agenda".
Jesus said "love your enemy". Today's "Christians" not only hate Muslims, they actively to stir up hatred among others.

Jesus also said "love your neighbor" and "sell your possessions and give to the poor". Anyone who lives like this has my full respect.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

that's a low bar I'm sure

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@maxdancona,

Ironically, Finn, if you read the "Render unto Caesar" quote in context, Jesus was basically saying that you should pay whatever taxes the government demands without complaining. The questioner was trying to use God as an excuse to not pay taxes.

See Matthew 22

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@maxdancona,

You're quite right Max. Keep Christmas Pagan.

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