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Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2014 07:34 am
@farmerman,
If you want to talk to Romeo, don't click reply on my posts, dipshit.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2014 07:38 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
Cinderella, she seems so easy
"It takes one to know one," she smiles
And puts her hands in her back pockets
Bette Davis style
And in comes Romeo, he's moaning
"You belong to Me I Believe"
And someone says, "You're in the wrong place, my friend
You better leave"
And the only sound that's left
After the ambulances go
Is Cinderella sweeping up
On Desolation Row.


Bob Dylan, Desolation Row.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2014 07:41 am
@Setanta,
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Edited because FM is not worth the grief.


Too late for me. I told fm that years ago but more gently.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2014 07:43 am
@Setanta,
blah blah blah. ANy other "Orders" from the Jabbah the Hut?

By the way, if you had looked, genius, you would have seen that I was responding to YOU.

PS, in all these years of absorbing your lack of interpersonal skills in a fairly fine manner, Ive never gotten personal with you. YOUVE removed that gossamer doorway and anything goes from here on out so beware about how you address me or my limitations.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2014 07:48 am
@farmerman,
Name-calling is the best you can come up with, huh? Taking a page from your intellectual twin, Frank? If you want to talk to Romeo, don't be such a lazy ****. Hit reply on his posts, not mine.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2014 07:58 am
@Setanta,
You've made yourself clear as have I. When yu have something worth responding to maybe ill respond.
Now we return you to your previous activity so that you can continue shouting at the traffic.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2014 11:16 am
@Herald,
Herald wrote:
Why are you telling this to me. Why don't you go to the International Symposium of Evolutionary Biology and tell them that 'bacteria were one of the first simple life forms' actually is 'You need to quit basing your understanding of evolution on generalizations from public media or even from casual comments from scientists'.

Because they already know what the phrase actually means, you obviously don't.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2014 11:19 am
@Herald,
Herald wrote:
further wrote:
But they were NOT the earliest or nearly the SIMPLEST forms of life.

You should ask FM about this - he is expert in rocks of the right type ... and fossils varieties.

I don't need to ask him. He and I already know that bacteria were not the first forms of life.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2014 11:22 am
@Herald,
Herald wrote:
further wrote:
If you're going to challenge or question evolution, at least do it from accurate scientific statements.

I am not challenging anything. This is just some reasoning ... in contradiction to some statements. I tried to ask some question, but as it comes it is too 'non-specific' & 'casual' ... if it is in contradiction, but it could be 'reinforced concrete evidence' ... if it is in compliance.

Very well, then you need to base your "reasoning" on the actual meaning of statements you've heard instead of your misinterpretation of those statements.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2014 11:43 am
@rosborne979,
I think where hes confused is the fact that ALL protists were called EOBACTER at one time or another. Thatwas before the recent years abilities to distinguish the genetics and metabolic paths of the major classes.

Science has made the modifications in titles but apparently Herald is a few decades behind.
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Herald
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2014 12:34 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
The complexity of bacteria of specific genera is a result of aeons of evolution and development.

Where are the proves to this claim. How did the flagellum (and the whole mechanics surrounding it) evolved ... and from what? How did it manage to become so complex ... and so miniaturized?

farmerman wrote:
... that have evolved in 3Billion years. The ARCHAEA are those in green , EUkARYOTES in red and the BACTERIA in blue. Several new phyla have been classified as weve discovered all sorts of orgnisms in each of these groups.

FM, you don't have any evidences that they have evolved from one another, let alone 'on autopilot'. If you take a look at the avionics archives you may notice how did the contemporary airplanes have 'evolved' from the zeppelin. They have one and the same ailerons, one and the same propellers, one and the same aerodynamic forms ... which is indisputable evidence that they have evolved from one another with the time ... but how - that is the question?
Can something evolve 'on autopilot' or it should be driven by something – pre-set program code or deterministic-rule-driven processes ... or ID, or s.th. else?
Herald
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2014 12:45 pm
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:
Very well, then you need to base your "reasoning" on the actual meaning of statements.

By 'actual meaning' perhaps you mean some cherry-picked bias interpretation.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2014 01:24 pm
@Herald,
If you were to look at the very fossils of the protists and archaea from the Isua Formation through the appearances of stromatolites perhaps youd understand. With your mind closed tight as a trap I really have no hope that youll even look at the phylum tree I posted previously, let alone do some extra reading. You've just blown over that as if it didn't even exist.

The sudden appearances of C12 isotopes in early Vendean times and the appearance of iron oxides formations of sandstones (called banded iron formations) Coincide so nicely to the appearance of various protists and single celled animals in the fossil record that the issue of "Was it planned"? would be rendered moot. It doesn't appear preplanned, it appears opportunistic based upon new appearances of niches and free radicals in the environment.


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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2014 01:30 pm
THIS IS NOT FAKE (like the tenets of Creationism). Its based upon available inspection and analyses of the critters involved. Its a large scale phyletic tree but its present thinking of real science

  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Collapsed_tree_labels_simplified.png/350px-

Collapsed_tree_labels_simplified.png

A more detailed phylatic tree of the "All Species Tree Project"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27The_All-Species_Living_Tree%27_Project
rosborne979
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2014 02:47 pm
@Herald,
Herald wrote:
By 'actual meaning' perhaps you mean some cherry-picked bias interpretation.

No, I mean the actual, scientific, rational, detailed, precise meaning.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2014 03:08 pm
@Herald,
Quote:
No, I mean the actual, scientific, rational, detailed, precise meaning.


Imagine,H, ros teaching a lady how to not boil the potatoes dry.

All these guys simply refuse to feed in the feminoil factor. The scientific methodologist must be a bit of a trial at close quarters and patriarchal to the last drop.

The "precise" comes out with a degree of menace if it is said with the right amount of impatient and intolerant contempt and backed up with a scorrick of authority. A steely-eyed beading with a hissing grimace.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2014 03:20 pm
@spendius,
He said with great sincerity.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2014 03:40 pm
@edgarblythe,
In my experience, ed, the scorrick of authority is indirectly proportional to the integrated coefficient of the various vectors which galvanise the electrical impulse circuits into action to produce the right amount of impatient and intolerant contempt which is physiognomically communicated to any unfortunate witnesses through the reflex mechanisms of steely-eyed beading and hissing grimaces.

Being hungry enhances the mechanism and so boiling the potatoes dry provides ideal conditions for the exercise. And it is exacerbated by other factors which I am too polite to mention.

I learned to steer clear of it myself.

Not that it means anything, of course, but you already know that I presume.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2014 04:29 pm
@edgarblythe,
Although ed, it could be said to mean that those who derive conclusions about life from the study of fossils, in which the electrical impulse circuits have ceased to exist and left no trace, are talking out of their arse.

Maybe Darwin became aware of this flaw in his theory. What can one learn about the Duke of Wellinton by dissecting his corpse compared to reading his writings and other records of his actions.

Towards the end Darwin became pretty obsessed with animal behaviour and not so much with their constitutions. As have been the great fiction writers concerning human behaviour. He studied monkey's faces expressing various emotions, some of which he provoked. An early example of the observer being a component of the observed. Like when the bankers became a component in the banking.

John Aspinall, professional gambler and theme park zoo owner, now deceased, said that if lions could talk we would not know what they were talking about.

What did Lucy talk about? Had she good legs? Did she exploit them? Have you ever seen a real skeleton? What was he all about? Telling us that his toe bone is connected to his foot bone and his foot bone is . . . . is not a great deal of use in answering such a question.

Alas, poor Yorick.

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igm
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2014 05:44 pm
@farmerman,
One problem the creationists or non-dualists might be interested in, concerns the fact that DNA needs to be switched on by a regulatory protein in order for a Gene to be expressed... but the regulatory protein needs to be coded for by the DNA and therefore needs a regulatory protein to switch it on... one it seems, will always be left with the problem of either a chicken and egg scenario or an infinite regress... this problem seems unsolvable.

How can the need for a regulatory protein needing a prior regulatory protein ever be solved? If it can't, then how it works will remain a mystery which may as well be solved by there being a God involved or magic or reality isn't what it seems (I go with the last one) and biology is a mystery that we can tinker with without being able to fundamentally understand it.

What do you think fm?
 

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