Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

@FBM,

FBM wrote:

Where's your evidence for your alien/ILF/god-thingy that mystically teleports the structure of the universe?

Perhaps I may think it over, but hardly after you enumerate and specify all the Gaps, without any exception ... and with a precision up to the 18th digit after the decimal point.

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@Herald,

Nope. I've already given you reasoning why your alien/ILF/god-thingy is a god-of-the gaps argument. You're just too intellectually lazy to pay attention to the discussion and hope to strategize with this redundant red herring. If you want more, produce some evidence for your alien/ILF/god-of-the-gaps falllacy. You know, people who actually know what they're talking about are very eager to present their evidence.

It's quite telling that you keep on offering red herrings and obfuscations, rather than telling what you "know." It suggests that you don't actually have any evidence to present. Wink

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

Nope. I've already given you reasoning why your alien/ILF/god-thingy is a god-of-the gaps argument.

I am not asking that - what is standing 'behind' the Gaps? What is your understanding of these Gaps? Without having the semantics of the Gaps assigne you cannot claim anything further.

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@Herald,

What is your understanding of your alien/ILF/god-of-the-gaps? What evidence do you have to make you think that it's real? My only claim is that your claim sucks balls compared to the evidence-based claims of the scientists. Until you produce at least a modicum of a shred of evidence, you have nothing but empty words and feel-good fantasies. Thus:

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evidence
[ev-i-duh ns]
Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
noun
1.
that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
2.
something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign:
His flushed look was visible evidence of his fever.
3.
Law. data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects.
verb (used with object), evidenced, evidencing.
4.
to make evident or clear; show clearly; manifest:
He evidenced his approval by promising his full support.
5.
to support by evidence:
He evidenced his accusation with incriminating letters.
Idioms
6.
in evidence, plainly visible; conspicuous:
The first signs of spring are in evidence.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evidence

That what you ain't got none of, Herod. Pay attention, please.

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

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evidence[ev-i-duh ns] Spell Syllables Synonyms Examples Word Origin noun 1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.

     In the capacity of being a great scientist with scientific integrity you should have your own definitions of evidence - you cannot simply use the ultra-super-general case from the Dictionary. You will have to define ad hoc what exactly you accept as evidence:
Example: 1. Collected primary data, verified for authenticity.
     2. Impartial and professional interpretations of primary verified data.
     3. Any authentic data as they are - no matter whether they are supporting or refuting some claim.
     4. The theory is made on the grounds of the interpretation of the data, and not vice versa - the data to be interpreted and misinterpreted, depending on the theory to be supported.
     5. The data are studied not with the a priori assumption to confirm or to reject something, but with the aim of their objective interpretation from any point of view.
     6. Math proofs, 15 pages (as a minimum) if the assumptions of the formal model can be verified and validated, etc.
     I am not going to ask you what is your understanding of scientific integrity for you will immediately take out of the sleve some red herring 'argument' with the single aim to escape the question by bombarding it with logical fallacies at random - observational selection, post hoc, ergo propter hoc, proving non-existence, etc. to name but a few.

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@Herald,

Blah blah blah. More red herring. Do you have any evidence for your alien/ILF/god-of-the-gaps? If not, you got nothing.

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

Blah blah blah.

This is not exactly 'Blah,blah,blah.' When you demand some evidence perhaps you will have to specify what you accept as evidence. What is the use of providing to you any pieces of evidence, when you don't acknowledge them as such?

FBM wrote:

Do you have any evidence for your alien/ILF/god-of-the-gaps?

I am not suposed to provide any evidence on that - the Gaps is your personal idea and/or interpretation of the world - you are the one on whom the burden of proof lays upon.

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@Herald,

Nope. The burden of evidence is on you. You're making the claim for the mystically teleporting alien/ILF/god-thingies, you provide the evidence. My claim is that your claim sucks balls compared to that provided and supported with evidence by the scientists, because you have zero evidence to support your claim. You have provided no evidence, therefore my claim is so far accurate. You fail yet again, unless you provide positive evidence for that alien/ILF/god-thingy-of-the-gaps. Please pay attention.

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

You're making the claim for the mystically teleporting alien/ILF/god-thingies, you provide the evidence. My claim is that your claim sucks balls compared to that provided and supported with evidence by the scientists, because you have zero evidence to support your claim.

... and my claim is that you are not at such level to understand such inference - so, you personally will not be provided anything more in regard to that issue, no matter how many times you publish your broken record with the alieans.
BTW, why are you so keen on that aliens - don't you have some personal problem with them or s.th.?

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@Herald,

More strawmen designed to serve as red herrings. The only problem I have with anything is your argument. You make a claim for alien/ILF/god-thingies and can't provide any evidence or sane reason for anyone to take you seriously. Fail.

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

You make a claim for alien/ILF/god-thingies and can't provide any evidence or sane reason for anyone to take you seriously. Fail.

The aliens are you personal problem evidently.

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@Herald,

Herald wrote:

FBM wrote:
You make a claim for alien/ILF/god-thingies and can't provide any evidence or sane reason for anyone to take you seriously. Fail.
The aliens are you personal problem evidently.

It was your idea. I've quoted it many times. You have yet to show any evidence for it. Fail.

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

It was your idea.

     First, the idea that the ILFs (inter alia) should be also considered into the equation of the assumptions for the Creation or Evolution or whatever it might have been there, is not mine, and second it doesn't matter whose has been the idea. What really matters is what (if any) is standing behind it.
     You have stuck to it like a chewing gum to a cup, and it is you that have passed by all the event horizons ... and it is not me who cannot unstick from that, so obviously and beyond any doubt the alieans are some your personal problem.
     Besides that you are not discussing the aliens to throw light on the hypothesis, for example, but rather to prove how sound minded you are (as a proxy scientist perhaps), and how much I don't understand anything of the status quo.

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@Herald,

Herald wrote:

FBM wrote:
It was your idea.
First, the idea that the ILFs (inter alia) should be also considered into the equation of the assumptions for the Creation or Evolution or whatever it might have been there, is not mine,

FBM wrote:

Herald wrote:

... my personal are God or some meta-intelligence (string theory) or s.th.; 30% another ILF, sending the designs on the Earth even through some form of teleportation or another form of encoded communication (it might have extinct already by the time the information has came here), and perhaps 25% of the Big Bang and the theory that we are made out of star dust (whatever this might mean) and fused with the time by the Dark Energy and Dark Matter....

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and second it doesn't matter whose has been the idea. What really matters is what (if any) is standing behind it.

Well, no ****, Sherlock. Why do you think I've been asking for your evidence?

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

Well, no ****, Sherlock. Why do you think I've been asking for your evidence?

... because you imagine the evidence as a TV show of the aliens explaining to us how much retard we are by destroying the only place in the Universe to which we have access to live - and there is no such TV shows decrypted and decoded from the data of the radio telescope ... which does not necessarily mean that it is impossible for the ILFs to exist, or to have existed before us. This does not mean at all that we are the first and still the best and the greatest masterminds in the Universe, especially the novices of the religion of scientism.
N.B.: Scientism (wikipedia) Def: Scientism is belief in the universal applicability of the scientific method and approach, and the view that empirical science constitutes the most authoritative worldview or most valuable part of human learning to the exclusion of other viewpoints.

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@Herald,

I'll accept any genuine evidence that you can provide. Red herring isn't it. Appeal to ignorance isn't it. God of the gaps isn't it. Until you get some evidence and fallacy-free reasoning:

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

I'll accept any genuine evidence that you can provide.

You don't understand something - you are not sitting in the Emperor's box of the Flavian Amphitheatre drinking fine wine and having fun with some courtesans - you are down with the Gladiators on the arena, and with the lions ... looking for the pieces of evidence about whatsoever. This is called scientific integrity and personal dignity. We are not supposed to protect our personal dignity from the corporate science whores to infinity - it is high time for the science to start having personal dignity ... and scientific integrity.

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