Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

@Herald,

In academia, where I teach and occasionally publish, we are not allowed to plagiarize, and we are required to support our claims with verifiable evidence. If we make a claim that we cannot substantiate, we have to withdraw that claim. This is something that you have utterly failed to do with your alien/god/ILF claim. Until you do something to correct this failure, you're still on the side of those who believe in Xenu, Quetzalcoatl, YHWH, the tooth fairy and Santa Claus. Thus:

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@FBM,

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If we make a claim that we cannot substantiate, we have to withdraw that claim.

Seriously ... and by what you substantiate the claim of the Infinite Temperature, for example - would you explain in details the 'structure of the substance' (the material carrier of particles with infinite velocity)?

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@Herald,

Look it up. There's a lot of real research that has been done, published and made available to the public. How much research has been done, published and made available to the public about your 'personal 45% god/alien/ILF-of-the-gaps'? Have you ever seen it? Has anybody? Is there a single thing you can present to support the claim that it exists? Nothing? Well, then:

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Standard Model: Evidence For Direct Decay Of The Higgs Boson Into Fermions
By News Staff | June 22nd 2014 03:09 PM

The Higgs boson was detected using its decay into bosons but scientists from the CMS experiment at the Large Hadron Collider have found evidence for the direct decay of the Higgs boson into fermions.

If the Higgs particle can decay into both bosons and fermions, we can exclude certain theories predicting that the Higgs particle does not couple to fermions. As a group of elementary particles, fermions form the matter while bosons act as force carriers between fermions.

According to the standard model of particle physics, the interaction strength between the fermions and the Higgs field must be proportional to their mass. "This prediction was confirmed," explains Professor Vincenzo Chiochia from the University of Zurich's Physics Institute, "a strong indication that the particle discovered in 2012 actually behaves like the Higgs particle proposed in the theory."

Combined data analysis

The researchers analyzed the data gathered at the LHC between 2011 and 2012, combining the Higgs decays into bottom quarks and tau leptons, both of which belong to the fermion particle group. The results reveal that an accumulation of these decays comes about at a Higgs particle mass near 125 gigaelectron volts (GeV) and with a significance of 3.8 sigma.

This means that the probability of the background alone fluctuating up by this amount or more is about one in 14,000. In particle physics, a discovery is deemed confirmed from a significance of five sigma.

How the Higgs decay modes were measured

Three different processes were studied, whereby the UZH researchers analyzed the Higgs decay into taus. Because the Higgs particle is extremely short-lived, it cannot be detected directly, but rather only via its decay products.

The bottom quarks and taus, however, have a long enough lifetime to be measured directly in the CMS experiment's pixel detector.

Source: University of Zurich

http://www.science20.com/news_articles/standard_model_evidence_for_direct_decay_of_the_higgs_boson_into_fermions-139045

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@FBM,

you really belive any garbage as long as it is called 'science'!

Really unbelievable to see.

You have NO critical bone in your body, mate!

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@Quehoniaomath,

There is quite a degree of difference between educated skepticism and outright "denial".
SCience is not a search for absolute truth, it is, at best , the art of developing closer approximations..

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@farmerman,

True that. You can't get absolute truth from inference. The vast majority of those claiming to know absolute truth are the ID'ers/creationists/theists/charlatans/people obsessed with aliens/conspiracy theorists/denialists/voodooists and woo-peddlers of whatever stripe. Oh, and the outright medically certifiable. But scientists? Not so much. Not even Sheldrake is claiming certainty.

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

Look it up. There's a lot of real research that has been done, published and made available to the public.

No, you look up. This talk is too general and to abstract to be viewed as any argument at all. Do you have any plausible explanation of the Infinite Temperature or not - how do you explain the existence of the Infinity in the physical world in the first place, and after that applied to your definition of Temperature (if you have ever had any of the kind).

FBM wrote:

How much research has been done, published and made available to the public about your 'personal 45% god/alien/ILF-of-the-gaps'?

Much more than you can possibly imagine ... and ever will be able to understand. If we don't count the huge file repository of NASA with data and analysis of any kind, the database of the radio telescope, the project ISIS of KGB that (has gone into the Dimension X), only the hypothesis of Carl Sagan and Stephen Hawking that having in mind the vast size and the consistent physical laws of the observable Universe (if we exclude of course the Big Bang 'theory' - this note is mine) it is highly improbable for life not to exist somewhere other than the Earth, should be enough to you. Do you know how much is highly improbable not to exist as a number (in %) - made on the basis of the expert estimate of some of the top physicists of the present day?

FBM wrote:

Have you ever seen it? Has anybody?

... and have you ever seen your own soul ... or intelligence? So, you can freely claim that you have no intelligence and have never had any ... as you have not collected enough evidence of it & you have never observed it ... on the telescope.

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@Herald,

I'm not making claims about any so-called "Infinite Temperature," soul or intelligence, so there's no burden of proof on me. Nor do I doubt that life probably exists elsewhere in the universe. Maybe even intelligent life. But you're making claims about an intelligent designer, telepathically communicating instructions or some such bullshit, which is a VERY different claim. The burden of proof is on you. You've got evidence or you've got nothing.

Looks like:

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If no evidence is required, and evidence that is presented can be so easily denied with a tickle of the keyboard, then I'm going with Xenu. At least with Xenu I can find nifty costumes to wear:

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@farmerman,

Apropos of nothing in specific, the full quote by Mark Twain states: "You can't argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

I'm not making claims about any so-called "Infinite Temperature,"

It is obvious that you will never be able to answer that question. Why don't you answer to the other one: how much is 'improbable', and how much is 'highly improbable' as a number [in %], and how much is 'highly improbable not to' [in %] ... in your understanding of the world?

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@Herald,

I don't answer it because I don't give a **** about your red herrings. Until you provide some evidence for your "personal 45% ID'er-of-the-gaps," I'm sticking with Xenu and the nifty uniform. But the score between the Standard Model and you remains at:

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

I don't answer it because I don't give a **** about your red herrings. Until you provide some evidence for your "personal 45% ID'er-of-the-gaps,"

You will have to answer it, because you argue the 45% number. If you are such a great specialist in probability as you are trying to convince us, you should have no problems to assign numerical value of 'improbable', 'highly improbable' and 'highly improbable not to' . So, which is the number (in%)? I can tell it to you, but you are going to argue and deny it, so with the aim to avoid several days of talks in idle mode, it will be much better to tell us the number.

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@Herald,

If you would present some actual evidence to support your 45% claim, we would have something to compare with the Standard Model. You refuse to or can't, so we have nothing to compare but your words. Logically and empirically, it's been all FAIL from your first post. Thus,

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The only way to change that score, which is based on one of YOUR claims, is to present something stronger than logical fallacies. Like, y'know, evidence for your "personal 45% alien/god/ILF-of-the-gaps." Got any?

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

If you would present some actual evidence to support your 45% claim ...

... and how do you imagine that 'actual' evidence - can you specify its characteristics?

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@Herald,

Herald wrote:

FBM wrote:
If you would present some actual evidence to support your 45% claim ...
... and how do you imagine that 'actual' evidence - can you specify its characteristics?

It's your claim; you're the only one privy to that mystery. Since you've gone on so long without presenting the merest scrap of any, I have every reason to suspect that it is imaginary. That's why:

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is the ongoing status quo that's shows no signs of changing anytime soon.

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