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Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 12 Feb, 2015 11:44 am
@FBM,
denialism requires no evidence, in fact denial abhors evidence because evidence requires denialists to type in large bold letters to try to make their points for proper denial etiquette .

FBM
 
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Reply Thu 12 Feb, 2015 11:54 am
@farmerman,
No, denialism requires them to type that way. Evidence comes in normal font, which is often difficult for denialists to regard as significant because it's not overly hyped. Wink

But I do get your point. Very Happy
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Thu 12 Feb, 2015 12:14 pm
@FBM,
Quote:
Evidence comes in normal font,


lol, what a ******* moron!!!!

So, if it is typed in normal font and on glossy paper and of course from an official institution it is true???????????????????????????????

HOW CRAZY CAN YOU BE???

GO **** YOUR IDIOTIC SELF, MATE!!!

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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Thu 12 Feb, 2015 12:16 pm
[quote]Faith is much better than belief. Belief is when someone else does the thinking.
-- R. Buckminster Fuller[/quote]
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Thu 12 Feb, 2015 12:55 pm
FBM Please consider this:
http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/10620108_10152405426013842_695405906441962426_o-587x366.jpg

Think about that!!
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Herald
 
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Reply Thu 12 Feb, 2015 10:35 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
I'm not a scientist, it's not my job to know all those facts, therefore it's irrelevant whether or not I know them.
     Then comes the next question: how do you assess which of the claims going on on the mass media are excellent science and which are top design mumbo-jumbo without any serious justification?
FBM wrote:
I can look them up, if I need to.
     No, you can't. You may think that you can, but actually you can't. You don't know what to look for ... and where, what to believe in and what to disbelieve ... not to say that such problem has never existed to you at all.
FBM wrote:
... if you weren't so deep into this rabid denialism.
     I have had great teachers denialists on behalf of the Atheists, who are the greatest denialists of God (and hence of the Intelligence and the Intelligent Design in the Universe) on all exponents, and for any age. You cannot blame me for having such great teachers.
FBM wrote:
You're the one hung up on assumptions.
     So, as far as I can understand, the problem with the assumptions of the Big Bang does not exist to you - why don't you state it out, explicitly: "it doesn't matter what has been there before the Big Bang, and notwithstanding that we are even unable to explain what does 'before' mean, this does not impede us in anyway from presenting ourselves as omniscient".
FBM wrote:
I'm showing you repeatedly how your "personal 45% god/alien/ILF-of-the-gaps"
     You are not 'showing' anything - you are simply repeating like a broken record to infinity some straw-man construct that is your personal top design favorite.
FBM wrote:
... is the weaker hypothesis
     Can you name all the plausible hypothesis for the creation of the Universe before the Big Bang (if has ever happened), and right after it?
FBM wrote:
At least the Standard Model has empirical evidence from which to carefully derive the best assumptions.
     You really can't understand the point here, can you? This is absolute tautology: you can't derive any assumptions (we are not going to comment whether 'the best' or 'the worst') and after that on the grounds of that very same assumptions to claim validity of the same inference. First, in order to have 'the best' you will have to present at least three valid hypothesis (about the assumptions and the 'creation') - you cannot claim 'the best' on the grounds of one example only. Following your 'logic' every single example could be viewed as 'the best'. Second, this way of reasoning that you are trying to discover is called circular reasoning (circle in proving). It may be true that it is not a formal logic fallacy, but even more true is that it is going far beyond any logical and non-logical fallacies. 'You see, we desperately need Infinite Temperature to equate the energy of the Universe, therefore the Big Bang must have taken it out, out of whatever and out of anywhere' ... and 'it doesn't matter that Infinite Temperature cannot exist in the physical world, it doesn't matter that we cannot even formulate the physical interpretation of Infinite Temperature & Infinity - all that matters is that the Big Bang desperately needs exotic energy supply source notwithstanding whether in violation of all the laws of physics and math logic or not - we have to design something incomprehensible - it may be in contradiction to the classical definition of Temperature in the Quantum Mechanics, for what is the Quantum Mechanics and the Classical Physics without the Big Bang "theory". All these are insignificant details in comparison with the main objective - to continue bullshitting the world that we know everything about any Creation (by hoping that nobody will ever think of verifying whether the world really has been created or has always existed, in which case there would be no way for the Big Bang to have created whatsoever, let alone for us, the Science, to present ourselves as omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient).
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2015 12:11 am
@Herald,
I said I don't know all the details of the physics involved in cosmology; I didn't say I was completely ignorant of science. I have a minor degree in a field of science. So, yes, I can look up whatever I want to about those details, if I were interested. I even have a paid service that gives me access to research that is not available to the general public. I don't bother, because you haven't presented a serious challenge to the Standard Model.

What atheists deny about your god/alien/ILF or anyone else's is that you have any evidence to support your claims. You don't. Nada. Squat. That's why the score remains:

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What you call my "strawman" is a synopsis of your very own words, which I quoted above. What are your assumptions for your "personal 45% god/alien/ILF-of-the-gaps"?

Your argument is **** because you can't make one that doesn't rely on logical fallacies, nor can you present evidence to support it. Not the first scrap. It's just something you pulled out of your overactive imagination, fueled by ignorance, fantasies, fear of death and daydreams. Anybody who could consider Scientology to be "validly plausible" has a long way to go to reach rationality.

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Only you can change the score, Herod. Show us some evidence for your "personal/perhaps/maybe" that is remotely as strong as that for the Standard Model.

You didn't pay attention to the definition of a tautology, I see. Bad student. Slow learner.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2015 12:29 am
@FBM,
Quote:
I have a minor degree in a field of science. So, yes, I can look up whatever I want to about those details,


Wow!!!

Because of a minor degree you are able to look up things??

wow!!!!!!!



Nobody else can do that!!!!
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2015 08:02 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Maybe you should try it, quahog, instead of just spouting nonsense off the top of your head.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2015 09:16 am
@MontereyJack,
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Maybe you should try it, quahog, instead of just spouting nonsense off the top of your head.


And what exactly is the nonsense according to your worldview?
parados
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2015 10:05 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Nonsense like saying statistics prove evolution can't happen.
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Ragman
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2015 11:19 am
I find it fascinating why people continue day after day trying to have rational discussions with someone so predisposed to irrationality and repetitiveness.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2015 11:21 am
@Ragman,
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I find it fascinating why people continue day after day trying to have rational discussions with someone so predisposed to irrationality and repetitiveness.


EXACTLY my point! Thank you!!
Herald
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2015 01:37 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
I said I don't know all the details of the physics involved in cosmology
     What details do you know about the definition of Temperature in the Quantum Mechanics, for example?
FBM wrote:
So, yes, I can look up whatever I want to about those details, if I were interested.
     Those 'details' as you call them are looked up not when you get interested but when you stumble against them, but this is an entirely another case scenario.
FBM wrote:
I even have a paid service that gives me access to research that is not available to the general public.
    We, the simple mortal, can only imagine what it might be - some 'scientific' top super-secret about the Big Bang having created besides the Space and Time, the Hyperspace as well. Believe it or not, but in the public space you have all the available knowledge to make an assessment about the falseness/authenticity of the Big Bang 'theory'.
FBM wrote:
I don't bother, because you haven't presented a serious challenge to the Standard Model.
     You don't know anything about the standard model. Can you tell the correlation between the red shift/CMB and the QMs? The very moment you apply the definition of the QMs for Temperature to the Infinite Temperature of the Singularity your 'standard model' falls apart like a house of cards.
FBM wrote:
What atheists deny about your god
     The possibility for existence of God, Himself. To deny God is unconditional requisite to become a 'member of the club'. By definition atheism means 'the rejection of belief in the existence of deities'.
FBM wrote:
... is that you have any evidence to support your claims. You don't.
     Prove it. Prove that the hypothesis for the Universe to have always existed is impossible; prove that the option for us, for example, to have been created by some higher intelligence is impossible, for in your theory of the things we are recycled garbage of star dust.
FBM wrote:
What you call my "strawman" is a synopsis of your very own words
     No, it is not. None of this is justified on theism and you simply cannot accept that Science might not be able to explain some of the things, and that there is nothing shameful to say (not on the test of course): "we/I don't know", "it is unknowable", "there is no justification of that claim" - to say what you observe and what you really think, rather than to talk what is convenient and beneficial for promotions. Of course on the tests you write exactly what is expected from you: The Big Bang is the first and still the best; Big Bang is our Father; the Universe is expending at the speed of rapidity in vacuum, etc. When you take the test you may talk whatever you like, but after the test.
     I can complete any test on any Big Bang and any Evolution issues without any problems - this does not mean that one should really believe in the things he is completing and become a laughing stock on the net by claiming that 'ten trillion trillions' is 'the best approximation' of Infinity.
Ragman
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2015 01:37 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
Rolling Eyes

Don't force my hand...I'm keeping it civil and NOT trying to point fingers.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2015 02:48 pm
@Ragman,
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Don't force my hand...I'm keeping it civil and NOT trying to point fingers.


That sounds a bit like a coward to me! Wink
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FBM
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2015 06:00 pm
@Herald,
Herald wrote:

...Can you tell the correlation between the red shift/CMB and the QMs? The very moment you apply the definition of the QMs for Temperature to the Infinite Temperature of the Singularity your 'standard model' falls apart like a house of cards.


Yes, but I'm a member of a super-secret club and we're not supposed to tell our secrets to mere mortals like you.

Quote:
By definition atheism means 'the rejection of belief in the existence of deities'.


That's one of several possible definitions. Be careful around dictionaries, Herod. You're not very good with them.

Quote:
Quote:
... is that you have any evidence to support your claims. You don't.
     Prove it. Prove that the hypothesis for the Universe to have always existed is impossible; prove that the option for us, for example, to have been created by some higher intelligence is impossible, for in your theory of the things we are recycled garbage of star dust.


You're making the claim, the burden of proof is on you. I haven't said anything about it being impossible. I said you haven't produced the first scrap of evidence, and until you do the score remains:

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FBM wrote:
What you call my "strawman" is a synopsis of your very own words
     No, it is not.[/quote]

I quoted your very own post. Pay attention.


Quote:
None of this is justified on theism


I can't even tell what this means. Do try to work on your language skills if you're going to argue in that language, Herod. You were magically fluent when you were plagiarizing, now you're back to your usual garbled nonsense.

Quote:
and you simply cannot accept that Science might not be able to explain some of the things, and that there is nothing shameful to say (not on the test of course): "we/I don't know", "it is unknowable", "there is no justification of that claim" - to say what you observe and what you really think, rather than to talk what is convenient and beneficial for promotions. Of course on the tests you write exactly what is expected from you: The Big Bang is the first and still the best; Big Bang is our Father; the Universe is expending at the speed of rapidity in vacuum, etc. When you take the test you may talk whatever you like, but after the test.
     I can complete any test on any Big Bang and any Evolution issues without any problems - this does not mean that one should really believe in the things he is completing and become a laughing stock on the net by claiming that 'ten trillion trillions' is 'the best approximation' of Infinity.


Blah blah red herring blah blah. I'm quite happy not knowing and very comfortable with the possibility that some things may be unknowable. Got any evidence for your "personal 45% god/alien/ILF-of-the-gaps"? No? Then here's one thing I do know:

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FBM
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2015 06:01 pm
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/10933726_355293274671652_4633646838559447127_n.jpg
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FBM
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2015 06:08 pm
“... there is no shame in not knowing. The problem arises when irrational thought and attendant behavior fill the vacuum left by ignorance.”


― Neil deGrasse Tyson, The Sky Is Not the Limit: Adventures of an Urban Astrophysicist

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/10402435_778518815567863_4406281861469001548_n.jpg

Stop pretending, Herod. If you knew half as much as you pretend to, your room would be littered with Nobel Prizes.
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FBM
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2015 07:05 pm
Herald wrote:

... my personal are 45% God or some meta-intelligence (string theory or s.th.); 30% another ILF, sending the designs on the Earth even through some form of teleportation or another form of encoded communication (it might have extinct already by the time the information has came here), and perhaps 25% of the Big Bang and the theory that we are made out of star dust (whatever this might mean) and fused with the time by the Dark Energy and Dark Matter.
...


You really screwed the pooch there, Herod. Me talking about your "personal 45% god/alien/ILF" is a LESS nutty depiction of your claim. Want to talk about the teleportation or "encoded communication" instead? Laughing And you still haven't explained how you can have 25% confidence in the Big Bang, then turn around and deny that there ever was a Bib Bang. http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/teaemoticonbygmintyfresxa4.gif

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