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Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

 
 
FBM
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 07:00 pm
@Herald,
Herald wrote:

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Anything we cannot explain is 'God did it'
     You are not the case 'Anything we cannot explain'. You are the case 'We explain everything with any logic (no matter whether full of contradictions or not ... on the basis of which can be inferred anything)' - but this is another case.
Merry Holidays


What I can explain with logic - and have repeatedly done so - is how fallacious and irrelevant your claims are. You haven't brought a stronger explanation than the scientific one; you've brought no explanation at all.

What does "my personal 45% goddidit" explain, exactly? http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/boxing.gif
Herald
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 08:10 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
What I can explain with logic - and have repeatedly done so - is how fallacious and irrelevant your claims are.
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/boxing.gifPerhaps you don't understand something - logic here means formal model (for representation and understanding of the world). The math logic is the use and study of valid reasoning - this is a whole branch in the applied mathematics & computer science. Valid reasoning means with defined variables, defined & verified (even validated) assumptions (initial justification), inference engine based on a set of finite and explicitly stated logical rules, lack of any contradictions in the inference engine, etc.
     The only assumptions under which your favourite 'theory' of the Big Bang can exist are: The Universe has always existed (or at least its energy has always existed); the Intelligence of the Universe has always existed (as you have no lab experiments and evidence that you can create intelligence out of whatsoever, having no intelligence); the Time has always existed in some form or another - these are the assumptions under which you favorite theory can exist - any other assumptions, like for example existence of gravitational continuum without the existence of time are simply invalid ... and make the whole theory unsustainable and out of subject.
     If the assumptions are as the above said, the exclusive question is: What exactly has the Big Bang (if has ever happened) 'created'?
FBM
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 08:15 pm
@Herald,
Herald wrote:

...The only assumptions under which your favourite 'theory' of the Big Bang can exist are: ...


Says who?

What does your "personal 45% goddidit" explain, exactly?
FBM
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 08:55 pm
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/10394619_844234618931806_322624212249315192_n-2.jpg
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Herald
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 11:06 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
Says who?
     ... the math logic. O.K. let's see what is there in the classical (and standard) physics. We have laws for the conservation of energy/mass/momentum, right? Do you know what does that mean: it means that no mass can appear out of nothing, no energy can appear out of nothing, and no momentum can appear out of nothing ... are you curious to know what does that mean applied to the assumptions of the Big Bang: the Big Bang cannot take out the energy and the mass and the momentum for the creation of the Universe ... out of Nothing, which means that there must have been Something existing (without time?!) before the Big Bang? The Before of the Big Bang must have existed somehow - how?
     Can you name all the things that you may guess and that can exist without time component - and define existence in that case? Not to mention that you don't even know how much of the information about the history record of the Universe you might have irretrievably lost in-between.
FBM
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 11:18 pm
@Herald,
Herald wrote:

FBM wrote:
Says who?
     ... the math logic. O.K. let's see what is there in the classical (and standard) physics. We have laws for the conservation of energy/mass/momentum, right? Do you know what does that mean:...


Learned all that in high school. Like, 30 years ago. http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/ddpan.gif

But at least you're catching up a little. Now, figure this. You suppose all the physicists and cosmologists somehow collectively forgot about the conservation laws when they were working on BB Theory? Seriously? The BB does not violate conservation laws. Big Bang for Beginners: http://machineslikeus.com/news/big-bang-beginners-13-does-big-bang-theory-violate-law-conservation-energy

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Not to mention that you don't even know how much of the information about the history record of the Universe you might have irretrievably lost in-between.


******* hell. I thought you'd grown up and moved on from the "my personal 45% god-of-the-gaps" ****. http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/bitchslap.gif

God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps!

What does your personal 45% god-of-the-gaps explain, exactly?
FBM
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 11:25 pm
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FBM
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 11:38 pm
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Does the universe obey the energy conservation law by a constant mass
or an increasing mass with radius during its evolution?


Akinbo Ojo
Standard Science Centre
P.O. Box 3501, Surulere, Lagos, Nigeria
[email protected]

Abstract

How the energy conservation law is obeyed by the universe during its evolution is an important but not yet unanimously resolved question. Does the universe have a constant mass during its evolution or has its mass been increasing with its radius? Here, we evaluate the two contending propositions within the context of the Friedmann equations and the standard big bang theory. We find that though both propositions appeal to the Friedmann equations for validity, an increasing mass with increasing radius is more in harmony with the thermal history of the big bang model. In addition, temperature and flatness problems that plague the constant mass proposal are mitigated by the increasing mass with radius proposal. We conclude that the universe has been increasing in mass and radius in obedience to the energy conservation law.

Key words: cosmology, big bang, energy conservation, temperature problem, flatness problem
PACS Classification: 98.80.Bp

I. Introduction
Since the formulation of the standard big bang model [1,2], the question of how to proceed with the universe's evolution without seriously violating the energy conservation...


http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0810/0810.1629.pdf

Ephasis added. Herod, your coaches aren't very good at this, are they? Wink
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Herald
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 11:46 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
******* hell.
     Does that mean that you deeply believe in Heaven and Hell. Actually the Hell theoretically exists and will come here down on the Earth ... sooner than expected, when the ocean gets acidified to infinity by the promiscuous burning of fossil fuels and irresponsible emission of CO2, NOx and SO2 to infinity into the air, and also from the 2.5 and 10.0 dust particles that some day (sooner than expected) may deprive you of breathing freely while jogging in the park ... and the energy that will be used to clean up the air to the richest dudes will sent further the world into the 'Dimension X'.
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/bitchslap.gif
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God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps!
     First, this is not an argument (in case you count it as such); and second the missing information has nothing to do with any theology - it comes from math calculations and logical inferences in physics (that are not mine), and third I don't claim that the missing information in the Universe is a deed of God, and hence 'God of the Gaps'. It is your idee fixe - it has nothing to do with me ... and the 45% do not come from the missing information - they come from the available information about the existence of our Intelligence and the Intelligence (to some degree) of the whole biosphere of the Earth ... that BTW has no function of any stochastic distribution within the near space, as the stochastics of your 'theory' would suppose.
FBM
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 11:59 pm
@Herald,
Herald wrote:


http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/bitchslap.gif


If I'd wanted my own cumback, I'd have wiped it off yer mom's chin.

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God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps! God of the gaps!
     First, this is not an argument (in case you count it as such); and second the missing information has nothing to do with any theology - it comes from math calculations and logical inferences in physics (that are not mine),


You outed yourself again by referring to "missing information." Your argument all along has been, "Scientists can't explain this or that minute detail, therefore god." That is called a hypothetical syllogism. A basic argument. Look it up. You obviously didn't the last time I told you this.

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and third I don't claim that the missing information in the Universe is a deed of God, and hence 'God of the Gaps'. It is your idee fixe - it has nothing to do with me ...


That's either the worst strawman I've ever seen or you're genuinely too dense to comprehend basic logic.

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and the 45% do not come from the missing information - they come from the available information about the existence of our Intelligence and the Intelligence (to some degree) of the whole biosphere of the Earth ... that BTW has no function of any stochastic distribution within the near space, as the stochastics of your 'theory' would suppose.


Oh! You actually used real, live "available" information to calculate that 45%! Fantastic! Now be really scientific and share your data and metrics so we can see if we can replicate your results, Professor.

What does your "personal 45% god-of-the-gaps" actually explain?
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FBM
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2014 12:07 am
Let's begin with the easy stuff...

Herald
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2014 02:12 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
Let's begin with the easy stuff...
     Are you kidding - in the first minute all we may learn from this video is that 'Cosmology is an old science ... dating back to several thousand years ago'. Just for comparison most of the contemporary sciences are from the period 16th - 17th c. ... and Cosmology is millions years old - How does that happen?
     Next we have 'Hubble discovered that the Universe is expanding' - there is nothing of the kind. There is only red shift in the light spectrum and 'Hubble has not discovered' in any other way any expansion of the Universe ... and at min 1.00 was the end of watching this video, sorry.
FBM
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2014 02:16 am
@Herald,
Why am I not surprised?

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/denialism.jpg

Here's something that might fit better into your brain: https://curiosity.com/video/michio-kaku-space-bubble-baths-and-the-free-universe-big-think/?ref=vb&iref=0&pref=3&vref=talk&tref=format

What does your "personal 45% god-of-the-gaps" explain?
FBM
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2014 02:23 am
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Herald
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2014 02:24 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
Why am I not surprised?
     ... and I am also not entirely surprised. You are not listening - you are only broadcasting (by means of some inappropriate references). If you want to start 'with the easy stuff', why don't you tell us what are your personal assumptions of the Big Bang 'theory'? How much energy there has been right before the Big Bang ... and what does 'right before' in this case is supposed to mean ... and how has it 'existed' without a time component? What is your personal definition of existence? What other hypotheses (different from the Big Bang 'theory') do you personally have as an explanation of the red shift - can you name at least some of them?
FBM
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2014 02:27 am
@Herald,
And I've already explained a dozen time that I don't have a personal assumption, and if I did, it wouldn't make a ****. Personal assumptions, ideas, guesses, preferences and opinions don't count for **** in science. It only counts in pseudoscience, religions and other woo.

What does your "personal 45% god-of-the-gaps" actually explain better than science?
Herald
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2014 02:30 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
What does your "personal 45% god-of-the-gaps" explain
     It is explaining that you are denying obvious things - like for example the existence of our personal Intelligence (we are not talking about origin, yet), the variety of life in the biosphere of the Earth and the lack of any signs of life outside the Earth, the 'jackpot' of the occurrence of the cyano-bacteria just in time and your inability to explain how has the Big Bang guessed to bring the cyano-bacteria to life just in time - pay attention that I am not asking how it has done it.
FBM
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2014 02:32 am
@Herald,
Herald wrote:

FBM wrote:
What does your "personal 45% god-of-the-gaps" explain
     It is explaining that you are denying obvious things - like for example the existence of our personal Intelligence (we are not talking about origin, yet), the variety of life in the biosphere of the Earth and the lack of any signs of life outside the Earth, the 'jackpot' of the occurrence of the cyano-bacteria just in time and your inability to explain how has the Big Bang guessed to bring the cyano-bacteria to life just in time - pay attention that I am not asking how it has done it.


How does your god-of-the-gaps explain any of that better than science does?
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FBM
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2014 02:39 am
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2014 02:45 am
@FBM,
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Personal assumptions, ideas, guesses, preferences and opinions don't count for **** in science.


Really????????????????????????????????????????????????
You are rather naive!!
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