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Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

 
 
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2014 08:50 am
@rosborne979,
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Scientific denial and all of its bastard children (like Intelligent design) simply fall away like a skein of lies in the exhilarating light of reality and human achievement.


Well, That remains to be seen, of course.
Are you aware that there is NOT ONE SINGLE INVENTION because of '
"modern physics'? NOT ONE! Something to think about.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2014 09:05 am
@Quehoniaomath,
gee, perhaps you've missed the development of the entire string of quantum based gizmos that dot the environment.

Unless of course you mean that "modern physics" is only inclusive of that from 9AM this morning till now.

You should go out an see if you can purchase a brain cell or two, itd be super for you to have an IQ that is over 50.
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FBM
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2014 09:06 am
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Religion’s smart-people problem: The shaky intellectual foundations of absolute faith
Religious belief the world over has a strenuous relationship with intellectualism. But why?
JOHN G. MESSERLY


Should you believe in a God? Not according to most academic philosophers. A comprehensive survey revealed that only about 14 percent of English speaking professional philosophers are theists. As for what little religious belief remains among their colleagues, most professional philosophers regard it as a strange aberration among otherwise intelligent people. Among scientists the situation is much the same. Surveys of the members of the National Academy of Sciences, composed of the most prestigious scientists in the world, show that religious belief among them is practically nonexistent, about 7 percent.

Now nothing definitely follows about the truth of a belief from what the majority of philosophers or scientists think. But such facts might cause believers discomfort. There has been a dramatic change in the last few centuries in the proportion of believers among the highly educated in the Western world. In the European Middle Ages belief in a God was ubiquitous, while today it is rare among the intelligentsia. This change occurred primarily because of the rise of modern science and a consensus among philosophers that arguments for the existence of gods, souls, afterlife and the like were unconvincing. Still, despite the view of professional philosophers and world-class scientists, religious beliefs have a universal appeal. What explains this?

Genes and environment explain human beliefs and behaviors—people do things because they are genomes in environments. The near universal appeal of religious belief suggests a biological component to religious beliefs and practices, and science increasingly confirms this view. There is a scientific consensus that our brains have been subject to natural selection. So what survival and reproductive roles might religious beliefs and practices have played in our evolutionary history? What mechanisms caused the mind to evolve toward religious beliefs and practices?

Today there are two basic explanations offered. One says that religion evolved by natural selection—religion is an adaptation that provides an evolutionary advantage. For example religion may have evolved to enhance social cohesion and cooperation—it may have helped groups survive. The other explanation claims that religious beliefs and practices arose as byproducts of other adaptive traits. For example, intelligence is an adaptation that aids survival. Yet it also forms causal narratives for natural occurrences and postulates the existence of other minds. Thus the idea of hidden Gods explaining natural events was born.
...


http://www.salon.com/2014/12/21/religions_smart_people_problem_the_shaky_intellectual_foundations_of_absolute_faith/

Note: argumentum ad populum avoided.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2014 10:39 am
quahog says:
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Are you aware that there is NOT ONE SINGLE INVENTION because of '
"modern physics'? NOT ONE! Something to think about

LIAR
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2014 10:47 am
@MontereyJack,
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LIAR


O , ic an ad hominem again!
No arguments

Figures.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2014 10:50 am
Tha arguments have been made. Conclusively. You, as usual, ignored them totally. As you do all the arguments that show you are in fact the "emperor": that has no clothes. The LIAR charge remains in effect. Ad hominem or not, it is true.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2014 10:56 am
@MontereyJack,
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Tha arguments have been made. Conclusively. You, as usual, ignored them totally. As you do all the arguments that show you are in fact the "emperor": that has no clothes. The LIAR charge remains in effect. Ad hominem or not, it is true


And again an Ad Hominem and NO argument.

I stand by what I wrote! There is noting here because of 'modern physics' Nothing!


That you seem to be unable to handle the truth is not a fault of mine. Wink
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2014 11:05 am
@Quehoniaomath,
but you have said NOTHING AT ALL just an empty evidence-free claim. Why should anyone even give you the time of day?
What is your intellectual worth?
(HINT: its a number between ZERO and MINUS ONE)
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2014 11:16 am
re quahog:
And I stand fully behind what I wrote. That YOUseem unable to handle the truth in any form is no fault of minTha aguments have been made and you've ignored them. As you've re[peatedly demonstrated, you have no idea of what a transitional fossil is. Your statistical "arguments" are totally bogus, as has been poinjted out to you. And modern physics is responsible for many inventions, not least nuclear power and bombs, and your computer (Emile Jacquard, Charles Babbage, Alan Turing, and John von Neumann laid some of the underpinnings, but personal computers are due entirely to developments in solid-state physics. Charles Babbage's gear wheels would have given us a computer the size of the Empire State Building and roughly as fast as a snail.) You're full of it, quahog. The original inedible stuffed clam..

INTELLECTUALLY DISHONESTAND A LIAR TO BOOT. THAT'S THE TRUTH.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2014 11:31 am
@MontereyJack,
And I stand fully behind what I wrote. That YOUseem unable to handle the truth
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in any form is no fault of minTha aguments have been made and you've ignored them. As you've re[peatedly demonstrated, you have no idea of what a transitional fossil is. Your statistical "arguments" are totally bogus, as has been poinjted out to you. And modern physics is responsible for many inventions, not least nuclear power and bombs, and your computer (Emile Jacquard, Charles Babbage, Alan Turing, and John von Neumann laid some of the underpinnings, but personal computers are due entirely to developments in solid-state physics. Charles Babbage's gear wheels would have given us a computer the size of the Empire State Building and roughly as fast as a snail.) You're full of it, quahog. The original inedible stuffed clam..

INTELLECTUALLY DISHONESTAND A LIAR TO BOOT. THAT'S THE TRUTH.


And, again, an Ad Hominem, your going to ignore, again!

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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2014 11:43 am
@MontereyJack,
Even Newton was sharp enough to note how the work that preceeded him was key to formulating his Principia

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Newton is quoted as saying, "if I have seen farther than others, it is because I was standing on the shoulders of giants," by way of thanking his predecessors for the contributions to science which made his Principia possible. Indeed, Newton's work represents the finale in a long chain of theory and discovery that evolved throughout the Scientific Revolution. The beginnings of progress had come in the sixteenth century. Nicolas Copernicus suggested that perhaps the ancient concept of the Earth's position in the universe was flawed. Giordano Bruno went one step further to claim that the universe itself was far different than the ancients and the Church perceived, and that it stretched out infinitely. Next, Kepler reduced the motions of the planets to intelligible mathematical rules. Galileo developed the system of earthly mechanics that he hinted might be applied to the heavens. Newton's work was the culmination of this chain of science, inspired by the ideas of these men and the methods and tools developed by them and others of his predecessors. The Principia linked the last two remaining pieces of the puzzle--Galileo's physics and Kepler's astronomy--and emerged with the 'grand design' so many before him had sought. The design seemed not to have been established by any planning or simple geography, but rather by the interaction of the forces of nature, principally gravitation, on an enormous scale.


Even Darwin, after he had published edition 1 of the Origins of Species..., recognized the "ghosts of his theory" and begn acknowledging the "giants before him".

QUAHOG seems oblivious to the nature of Interdisciplanary work and the "Connections" made between discoveries and later developments that owe some of their being to the earlier work of others. However, to give credit to a Loom developer for the invention of the laptop is just obtuse.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2014 12:17 pm
@farmerman,
I'm not sure how quahog is able to remain on a2k with his obvious denial of science. It's more than his stubbornness; it's a mental condition difficult to understand.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2014 12:21 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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I'm not sure how quahog is able to remain on a2k with his obvious denial of science. It's more than his stubbornness; it's a mental condition difficult to understand.


Interesting that you don't seem to understand! lol

I never knew it was a prerequisite of this forum to kneel before science?

Ah well, what you just wrote is hilarious!

And again, no arguments, only ad hominems....ad infinitum.


figures. Wink

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Herald
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2014 12:30 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
All theories are by scientific definition claims that have been proven true by reigning scientific standards.
     Where have you proved the assumptions of the Big Bang 'theory'. Why don't you write down the equation of energy preservation 1 nanosec before and 1 nanosec after 'the event'. You may choose 1 picosecond if you wish.
FBM wrote:
Claim X has been proven to be untrue by reigning scientific standards.
... like for example non-compliance with basic laws of fundamental sciences.
FBM wrote:
"false theory" is an oxymoron
     Since when you get interested in the contradictions within the self?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2014 12:39 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

You must have missed this part...

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8. Occam’s Razor. This convenient rule-of-thumb urges us when faced with two hypotheses that explain the data equally well to choose the simpler.



Right...so if the question is "Do the sun, moon, planets and stars revolve around the Earth...or is the Earth a sphere spinning on its axis and the apparent motion of those bodies is an illusion?"...

...one should choose the former, because of Occam's Razor.

Parados, Occam's Razor is one of the most illogical and useless pieces of garbage ever proposed by any philosopher.

Bottom line is this entire thread could have been handled on its first page with two observations:

One..."intelligent design" and "casino universe" ARE NOT mutually exclusive. IF there is a GOD...and the GOD designed how things would go in ITS creation...IT could easily have decided to design a form of casino universe.

Two...there is absolutely NO WAY TO RULE OUT "intelligent design" without ruling out the possible existence of a GOD...and since it is absolutely impossible to rule out the possibility of a GOD...it is impossible to rule out "intelligent design."

That is what is frosting all the atheists arguing this issue...because the last thing in the world they want to do is to acknowledge the OBVIOUS...that one cannot rule out the possibility of the existence of a GOD...and therefore cannot rule out the possibility of "intelligent design."

It is entertaining to watch this play out though...so don't put a damper on it.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2014 12:40 pm
@Herald,
Arrrgggghhhh. What was the sign on the gravitationl potential energy one picsecond BEFORE the big bang?.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2014 12:41 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

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Glad to see that my calling attention to the fact that the atheists arguing here are as absent of logic as the theists...has been so effective
No youre merely throwing up another of your dead pony arguments and everyone here is telling you that youre arguing like an idiot. That's all.

HAving you announce that this argument is a "sham" is like Gov Christie telling me to stay away from the donuts.


Nice try...but I propose that my calling attention to the fact that the atheists arguing here are as absent of logic as the theists.

And it appears to have been effective...because I see the shackles raising. That is what atheists do when confronted with the obvious.
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Herald
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2014 12:41 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
Quehoniaomath wrote:
There is noting here because of 'modern physics' Nothing!
     Just a second, the Big Bang 'theory' has nothing to do with any physics - it is Cosmology. It is not even astrophysics or astrobiology.
     By design Cosmology is based on contradictions from the very beginning and one can infer everything there ... without any problems. Anything goes.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2014 12:51 pm
@farmerman,
Just so you know FM quahog doesn't accept newtoenian mechanics either. Nothing after 1500. I'm not sure believes the earthj goes around the sun
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Herald
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2014 12:51 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Arrrgggghhhh. What was the sign on the gravitationl potential energy one picsecond BEFORE the big bang?.
     Good, how has the Big Bang taken the energy from a standing of whatever it has been there, without the time component? ... and how has the Big Bang succeeded to switch on the time clock (the sequence of events in their causality)?
 

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