Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

@Herald,

Herald wrote:

Why don't you simply answer to the questions on the thread ... if you can at all.

What question in particular, Herald?

@Frank Apisa,

Hi, F., how are you doing with the boldface.
The questions are openly published - why don't you go through them, if you like.
The first question of the brand new series is: are you qualified to discuss anything on this thread, except for personal comments, and even more personal desktop publishing.
The second question is: do you really have problems with focusing on one theme for more than several nanoseconds ... or you are too busy to edit the boldface, for example.

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If you are agnostic, Herald, and yet believe in intelligent design, who or what is the designer? Got any evidence for that?

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@Herald,

Herald wrote:

Hi, F., how are you doing with the boldface.

No problem at all...as you can see. Other people have used boldface regularly...and never had a mention made of it. Gotta wonder why people are so petty as to let it put them in a pet.

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The questions are openly published - why don't you go through them, if you like.

Okay..."yes", "no", "I do not do believing", "14, although that would be a guess", and "The Third Man."

If you want more...let me know.

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The first question of the brand new series is: are you qualified to discuss anything on this thread, except for personal comments, and even more personal desktop publishing.

Yes.

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The second question is: do you really have problems with focusing on one theme for more than several nanoseconds ... or you are too busy to edit the boldface, for example.

No.

Well...that was easy. Any others?

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

... who or what is the designer?

Dr. M. Kaku claims that it is the string theory - the Mind of God and the theory of everything. I don't know. I actually don't believe in ID, but there is not way to explain our own intelligence without assuming the existence of something that is at a higher level of intelligence and abilities to handle knowledge. BTW agnostic means believing that some things are unknowable, hence to ask an agnostic what he knows about the things that he thinks are inachievable as knowledge is not entirely valid question ... and what do you think about our own intelligence - how can it appear out of stochastic processes ... and on auto-pilot - this seems highly improbable.

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@Herald,

Herald wrote:

BTW agnostic means believing that some things are unknowable...

That does not hold true for all people who identify themselves as agnostics...just as not all people who identify themselves as atheists hold that "there are no gods."

Some things ARE unknowable...no "belief" needed. One can KNOW "there is no way to KNOW there are no gods."

Some things MAY BE unknowable...such as, "There is a GOD" or "There are gods."

Having a belief of any sort seems to go against the grain of agnosticism, but I guess each person who identifies him/herself as an agnostic has to deal with that in his/her own way.

In any case, the word also has a function outside the realm of "an Agnostic"...and functions in place of "I am not sure of... ."

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@Herald,

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and what do you think about our own intelligence - how can it appear out of stochastic processes ... and on auto-pilot - this seems highly improbable

Don't be impressed by his sounds of "understanding". herald has no idea of what he speaks so he uses a euphemism for "random" all the time , as if , when he continues repeating it over and over, it will magically become truth.
ITS BULLSHIT and he knows it, and its been explained to him several times by several different folks .

Hes as much a deaf denier as is Quahog

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@farmerman,

He can't even decipher the simple fact that all cultures developed their own language.

He needs to read "The Meaning of Everything" by Simon Winchester in the development of the first English dictionary. The English language developed from borrowing the words from many other languages. That's all part and parcel of what's called 'evolution' in language.

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@Herald,

If you'll recall, i asked for evidence. I also asked your opinion; i didn't ask for some feeble statement from authority.

If you don't "believe in ID," then why did you start this idiot thread? You're peddling BS here.

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@Setanta,

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i didn't ask for some feeble statement from authority

My God!!!! That is EXACTLY what the religious-evolutionists-fundamentalists do ALL THE TIME!!!!

They have to because there is NO EVIDENCE!

Gee!!!!

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@Herald,

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here is not way to explain our own intelligence without assuming the existence of something that is at a higher level of intelligence and abilities to handle knowledge

Then we are left with the question of how do you explaion the intelligence of that higher leve without assuming something that is of a higher level? And then how do you explain that next level.

Your argument falls apart quickly because it requires an infinite number of higher intelligences or single higher intelligence with no evidence to support it which makes it as likely that we are the higher intelligence.

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@parados,

Imagination and creation is an endless task.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

Then we are left with the question of how do you explaion the intelligence of that higher leve without assuming something that is of a higher level? And then how do you explain that next level.

     If the assumptions are as you present them - it looks like this, but there are a lot of other options as well.
     Suppose there is higher intelligence. It is not obligatory for our intelligence to be a derivative of it - it may be a subset of it, formed by some constraints. The question where does the intelligence of the metaphysics come from is not our problem for we don't even have the assumptions to speculate on that.
     The other case is: our intelligence is the first and still the best ... in our Universe. O.K., so far so good, but there is some little problem: how can an intelligence appear out of whatever through evolution. You have a bullion of amino-acids, you have a lightning and voila: life appears and starts making some logical inferences - how does that happen? If our intelligence is evolutionary product, why don't we have any memories of what it actually is, and how it has appeared, in the first place?

parados wrote:

Your argument falls apart quickly ...

This is wonderful news but don't you have any fresh ideas about what are the actual processes underlying our own intelligence ... for we cannot speak about other types of intelligence since we have not detected so far anything of the kind.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

Don't be impressed by his sounds of "understanding". herald has no idea of what he speaks so he uses a euphemism for "random" all the time , as if , when he continues repeating it over and over, it will magically become truth.

FM, why are you talking to me in 3-rd person singular - I am not a royalty ... yet.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

If you don't "believe in ID," then why did you start this idiot thread?

Why as a purpose or why as a reason? BTW you are not obliged to participate in every thread - especially in the ones you consider BS, as you express yourself.

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@Herald,

farmerman wrote,

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herald has no idea of what he speaks so he uses a euphemism for "random" all the time

This is third person, singular? YOU ARE STUPID! You confirm yourself just like science with evidence - over and over and over..... LOL

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@cicerone imposter,

Only Ad Hominem's at your disposal?

Figures. Out of arguments of course.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

YOU ARE STUPID! ... LOL

Absolutely, when one looks at Post No. 5 815 911 FM @ Herald speaking in third person singular, and when looking at this 'evidence' about the Universe (in capitals) ... one starts asking the question: who is more stupid ... and is stupidity limited at all?

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@Herald,

Answer this one question: Prove your god exists.

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@cicerone imposter,

Good luck with that one. Laughing

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