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Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

 
 
Herald
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2014 03:11 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
when did anyone say this.
     You, personally, by claiming that the aminoacids are simple polymers and nothing else ... whatever 'simple polymers' might mean. If you are so curious, and obviously have such an amnesia, I can even find the quote.
     FM, I don't need any references - just tell me, do you still maintain the claim that you know how life has appeared on the Earth (only on the Earth and nowhere else, notwithstanding what the normal distribution of probability events might suppose), and how has the Big Bang created the Universe at one and the same age in any part of it? Why don't you simply answer the questions?
     As an alternative you will have to confess that you don't know almost anything about life and biology and that the hybridization of the species that you are doing in the form of GMO vicius practices is actually short stories of the unexpected and comprises most probably less than 1% of the whole knowledge and the information needed to understand the processes.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2014 06:00 am
@Herald,
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You, personally, by claiming that the aminoacids are simple polymers and nothing else


a "polymer" isnt jut a thing of a chemical group(like a sugar or an aliphatic). It recognizes that the structure of a chemical is composed of a long chain of shorter chemicals. Its not a "what", its more of a "How"
Anyway, I was more likely referring to proteins (as the ultimate product of a type of polymerization called a peptide link). I probably said that amino acids or proteins are SIMPLY polymeric structures.



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... confess that you don't know almost anything about life and biology and that the hybridization of the species that you are doing in the form of GMO vicius practices is actually short stories of the unexpected and comprises most probably less than 1% of the whole knowledge and the information needed to understand the processes.


Smile I have to chuckle because You actually construct "polymeric" sentences. The above paragraph ( although somewhat run-on) makes no sense but it sorta demonstrates how a polymer gets together from a bunch of monomers. somewhere you've dropped the linkage part (the part of each little phrase that DID make sense).

youre a hoot. I think that all this nonsense you've compiled is just n ESL exercise.


PS, I readily admit that Im ignorant of a lot of stuff. That's really what gets me going to work. As far as things of "A same age" , you seem to deny that life has appeared on this planet, at different times in areas that were often separated by a billion years or so. Most of these areas were in geologic provinces that were also separated from the other areas by ocean and subductive mountain ranges. So, in several cases, life has appeared in different times at different places that maybe were separated from each other. Pretty neat eh?

Herald
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2014 12:41 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
It recognizes that the structure of a chemical is composed of a long chain of shorter chemicals.
    FM, you don't need to beat about the bush. Just tell us whether you still maintain the claim that the biological structures are only simple chemistry and physics, and nothing else. If they are not - what is that thing, which we are missing, what is the difference between living genetic code and dead genetic code?
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2014 12:47 pm
@Herald,
are you that simple minded to miss the concept of analogy?

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what is the difference between living genetic code and dead genetic code?
quantitatively, 10 letters
Herald
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2014 10:10 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
quantitatively, 10 letters
      ... and as a process?
parados
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2014 10:12 pm
@Herald,
Please tell us how you determine which DNA is living and which is dead.
Herald
 
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Reply Sun 9 Nov, 2014 07:50 am
@parados,
FM is an absolute expert on that topic. He claimed in one of the previous posts that the bio-code is nothing but a chemical polymer ... whatever this might mean. Ask him: he is thinks that he is well acquainted with that issue.
parados
 
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Reply Sun 9 Nov, 2014 08:00 am
@Herald,
So you can't define what you asked about? Then how can you tell that one code is living and the other dead?
Herald
 
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Reply Tue 11 Nov, 2014 02:51 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
So you can't define what you asked about?
Yes, I cannot - so what? That is what the questions are for.
parados wrote:
Then how can you tell that one code is living and the other dead?
By phenomenology, and it is not only me - the whole contemporary medical science is based on phenomenology. It can recommend you to apply hydrogen peroxide and iodine to a recent cutting wound, but it cannot explain in any way, let alone equation-by-equation, what are the actual metabolic processes standing behind all that.
     O.K. let me ask you something: how can you explain that some cells (of the lungs for example) continue living several months after the clinical death ... and what does that mean: is the human still alive, or only part of it is alive, or what?
      ... and how can you explain that a virus that has been deactivated for millennia could be revived for life by some retard trials ... yes, the question is: what is the difference between living bio-code and dead bio-code ... and slipping bio-code eventually?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Nov, 2014 03:38 pm
@Herald,
You wrote (which gave me a smile, because you used the word science),
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the whole contemporary medical science is based on phenomenology.


From the Department of Health.
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The Science Behind Vaccine Research and Testing

How Vaccines Are Made And Tested

The creation of a vaccine involves scientists and medical experts from around the world, and it usually requires 10 to 15 years of research before the vaccine is made available to the general public. The first step of this extensive process involves several years of laboratory research, in which scientists and researchers identify an antigen that can prevent a disease.

Once the test vaccine has been cleared for further investigation by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, at least three more phases of thorough clinical trials are conducted on human volunteers to test vaccine efficacy, to determine appropriate dosage, and to monitor for adverse side effects, etc. These trials usually take several more years to complete. The last phase involves a test group of up to tens of thousands of human volunteers. Unsure if this is a large enough test group? Consider this -– medicines in the United States also go through incredible scrutiny, but their test subject sample sizes are three times smaller than vaccine test subject groups.

But that's not the end of it: Once approved, the FDA continues to closely monitor the vaccine . It tests everything from batches of the vaccine to the production process and the facilities for safety. The FDA also conducts ongoing monitoring of vaccine reactions. Numerous agencies also work together on a global level to track, collect and analyze data, to make sure these vaccines are, and remain, safe for the general population. For more information on vaccine coordination and monitoring, visit the CDC's page on Why It's Important to Monitor Vaccine Safety and the Immunization Safety Office.

Unlike other vaccines, which typically take 10 to 15 years of research, development and testing before being approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), seasonal flu vaccines are developed on an annual basis. While the antigen changes in the flu vaccine every year, the manufacturing process remains the same and is founded on ongoing virus tracking around the world. Scientists can determine which flu virus is most likely to circulate during the next flu season, and once identified, can change the antigen but keep everything else in the vaccine the same. This process builds on time-proven techniques and allows the medical community to respond quickly to protect the public from changing flu viruses. For more information visit The Facts Behind Vaccine Safety

The exhaustive amount of scientific evidence confirming that vaccines are safe should ease anyone's concerns about how they're made and tested. The flu vaccine is no exception.

Vaccines build your body's immune system so that, in the future, it's able to fight against a specific disease. Today's arsenal of vaccines protect us against many types of diseases that we could still encounter in our lives. Many of these diseases can be crippling or even deadly if you come into contact with them and aren't vaccinated.


So, you see, medical science does save lives. Have you had your flu vaccine yet?
parados
 
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Reply Tue 11 Nov, 2014 06:21 pm
@Herald,
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Yes, I cannot - so what? That is what the questions are for.

Except your question assumed that there was such a thing as living DNA and dead DNA. Since you can't define what those are, your question was nothing more than a version of "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

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O.K. let me ask you something: how can you explain that some cells (of the lungs for example) continue living several months after the clinical death ... and what does that mean: is the human still alive, or only part of it is alive, or what?
It seems the answer is in your question.

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and how can you explain that a virus that has been deactivated for millennia could be revived for life by some retard trials
So viruses are now alive?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Nov, 2014 06:39 pm
@parados,
Please tell dingdong that sperm can outlive the man.

Death for humans is when the brain is dead; even when other parts of the body might be alive.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2014 04:50 am
@cicerone imposter,
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So, you see, medical science does save lives. Have you had your flu vaccine yet?


save lives????????????????????
As said before, it itr the thir leading cause of death in the usa!

and vaccines??????? used to sdestroy immune systems of innocent childeren!!


But eh!!! Put the word 'SCIENCE' in and every idiot beliefs some nonsense to be true!!!!!!

Most people are utterly naive wehn it comes to that sinister thing called 'science'!!!



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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2014 05:03 am
@parados,
Herald believes that "not knowing" how long virii or microbes can live outside of their hosts or on an environmental surface is a challenge to something like evolution. Actually , looking at microbes that can live in soil for hundreds of years helps us understand that even the simplest of organisms have a history of development and being.
herald seems to wish to play a game like my grandmother used to involve herself with.
"If we can go to the moon, why cant we cure the common cold"?


farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2014 05:06 am
@parados,
I see that when he gets himself into one of his patented "logical corners" he tries to lip away from his points?
"Live v Dead DNA"
kinda like "live or dead nylon "
timur
 
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Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2014 06:23 am
@farmerman,
Or live or dead water...
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2014 06:27 am
@farmerman,
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"If we can go to the moon, why cant we cure the common cold"?


very good and valid question
One problem though: we never went to the moon!!

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2014 11:36 am
@farmerman,
Archaeologists found 11000 year old infant bones in excellent shape in Alaska. It should provide more evidence about evolution and how they lived and died that long ago.
http://www.firstpost.com/world/going-back-11000-year-human-remains-ice-age-found-alaska-1798107.html

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Herald
 
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Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2014 02:49 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
So, you see, medical science does save lives. Have you had your flu vaccine yet?
     Weren't you some accountant-in-chief and expert in spread and swap transactions? Since when you have become expert in medical science ... inter alia?
Herald
 
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Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2014 02:57 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
"If we can go to the moon, why cant we cure the common cold"?
     FM, at first you personally have never been on the Moon, and second you really cannot cure common cold without the help of the immune system ... hence, what in particular is your problem? You are missing key information about life and evolution - just accept it and start living with it.
 

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