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Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 11:29 am
@MontereyJack,
I wonder if those who question evolution has an answer for the different human races, and how we all migrated from Africa into other lands and turned out with different colored skins, eyes, and hair. The bible doesn't mention anything about these differences, and it's supposed to be the 'word of god.' Is that a purposeful omission?

More than likely, the authors of the bible just didn't know other peoples existed on this planet. It has to be attributed to the ignorance of those authors of the bible.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 11:31 am
@Herald,
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FM, so and so you are 'sufficiently educated' (in the vicious GMO practices), why don't you tell us what direct evidences you have about evolutionary processes ever happening? What about testing and verification (of the mind-blowing theories) - how many brand new species have you designed so far with your amino-acid laser gun in your lab, for example? How many extinct species have you revived to life, etc.? How many defected DNA sequences have you fixed so far?


Yes! I think I know the answer to that one! May I? May I!? Wink
Errrrr....two....no..oeps errrr.....one...no..oeps..errrrr.............ZERO!
and the winner iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis.


Wink
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Herald
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 10:47 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
From Wiki
     No doubt that you are very good in making straw men ... out of any theme. Actually I have evidence that you don't have even the vaguest clue of what you are trying to talk about.
     Exhibit No. Next - Humback Whale ... with long pectoral fins with bone bumps on the front edge.
    The question is: How has the Evolution 'guessed' to make that bony bumps ... symmetrically on both of the fins ... at almost equal distances ... for the purposes of improving the 'buoyancy' & the 'maneuverability' of the whale?
     Let us have as an assumption fins with smooth rims (there are no pre-designed bumps by any ID) ... and a bone bump appears on ONE of the fins, by accident, for example. This will not improve the 'buoyancy' and the 'maneuverability' of the whale for it will force it to turn to that side continuously while floating. How has the Evolution guessed to make a symmetrical bone bump on the other fin, how has the Evolution guessed to multiply the bone bumps on the fin rims, how has it calculated the distance between the bumps to optimize the floating ability, how has it found the place in the DNA sequence where to do that, how does an accidental 'osteoporosis' bone bump becomes part of an inherited DNA sequence? Where is the direct correlation and the feedback of all that processes? ... Pay attention that we have not reached 'the point of natural selection' yet, where the fake justifications of the Evolution theory start explaining the things.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 10:50 pm
@Herald,
I'm no expert on whales or even fishes. You'll have to ask someone that studies that subject. Sorry, but you're chasing the wrong Wiki.
Herald
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 10:57 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
I'm no expert on whales or even fishes. You'll have to ask someone that studies that subject. Sorry, but you're chasing the wrong Wiki.
     Yes, we know that you are expert in straw men, but why don't you try to answer the question ... without any deviations.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2014 11:03 pm
@Herald,
You'd be better off going to the park to fly a kite. You shouldn't get into 'trouble' there. Your questions are infantile; expecting me to answer questions about things I know nothing about. Grow up!
parados
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2014 06:57 am
@Herald,
Speaking of straw men, your argument is a classic example. Evolution doesn't "guess". It is not intelligent. It doesn't design anything. Asking how evolution guessed is a misrepresentation of how evolution works.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2014 07:15 am
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Evolution doesn't "guess"


Really??

well, isn't 'guessing' the same as 'random'




(Sorry, the link is from an indoctrination institue, but ahhh well..... And I always laugh my head off when I read the stupid things from these kind of sites!)


I might be wrong of course.Wink
parados
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2014 09:40 am
@Quehoniaomath,
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well, isn't 'guessing' the same as 'random'

No. Not even close.

Pick a number between 1 and 10.
Do you think you selected a number at random?
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2014 11:20 am
Quahog says
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I might be wrong of course


Bingo!

(and, no, guessing is NOT the same as random. Guessing requires somebody or something to make a guess, and there is no entity in evolution to do that)
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2014 11:55 am
@MontereyJack,
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(and, no, guessing is NOT the same as random. Guessing requires somebody or something to make a guess, and there is no entity in evolution to do that)


Ohh ic





semantics Wink
parados
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2014 12:04 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
Guessing isn't random because you have a bias. Magicians use that bias all the time to amaze the uninformed like you.
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Herald
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2014 12:04 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Your questions are infantile; expecting me to answer questions about things I know nothing about.
     You know also nothing about the processes driving the Evolution, but this does not deter you from making various claims on the subject ... and assign to them truth values of the last resort.
     BTW the question I am asking is neither about zoology, nor about fishing and whale hunting. It is about the processes of evolution, about the way in which it works, how it is 'creating' the brand new species ... and your favourite evidences - their morphology.
     You and FM claim that a brand new species can appear stochastically, right? Do you know how many changes in the DNA (and in the RNA sequences) a given species should undergo in order to become a brand new species - at least 8 according to the research studies of your references. How much communication and feedback a species should have in order to change its DNA sequence by 8 brand new different arrangements of the four bases ... and what is the math probability for this to happen stochatically? Pay attention that we have not come yet to the point of natural selection - we are talking about the emergence of the new highly improved individuals (from your favourite theory) possessing changes in the DNA sequence at a level of brand new species - BTW you should have a pair of individuals male and female (with compatible changes in the DNA sequence) in order to lay successfully the foundations of brand new species ... and perhaps even more, to avoid the degeneration from incest of the first and second offspring.
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One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2014 12:20 am
The Universe is "naive", not "alive"; "becoming", not "being".
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2014 01:23 am
@One Eyed Mind,
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The Universe is "naive", not "alive"; "becoming", not "being


of course it is alive. consciousness everywhere.

There is NO matter.
One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2014 01:32 am
@Quehoniaomath,
What do you mean by it having no matter?
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2014 01:38 am
@One Eyed Mind,
simple, matter is an illusion. there is NO 'real' matter.
Like a hologram. In essence it is just wavevorms.

http://debamboozled.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/bill-hicks-matter-is-merely-energy-condensed-into-a-slow-vibration-were-all-one-consciousness-experiencing-itself-subjectively-theres-no-such-thing-as-death-life-is-just-a-dream1.jpg?w=580
One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2014 01:55 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Life is not a dream, for when we sleep, that is a dream - there's a difference.

There is no hologram. This physical world is the Universe's foundation - there is the concept of life; the construct of life. Understand?
Herald
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2014 03:17 am
@One Eyed Mind,
One Eyed Mind wrote:
... - there is the concept of life; the construct of life. Understand?
     Just to ask - where is that 'there'?
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Sat 6 Sep, 2014 03:22 am
@One Eyed Mind,
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Life is not a dream, for when we sleep, that is a dream - there's a difference.

There is no hologram. This physical world is the Universe's foundation - there is the concept of life; the construct of life. Understand?


That remains to be seen AND you have to read more poetry: Wink

http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-all-that-we-see-or-seem-is-but-a-dream-within-a-dream-edgar-allan-poe-146795.jpg

Anyway:

Quote:
There is no hologram


Really?:

http://www.mondolithic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Scientific-American-Cover-Are-you-a-Hologram.jpg

Now what?

 

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