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Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

 
 
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 10:46 am
@cicerone imposter,
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By your stupid questions.


ok, well now, can you show me which question that is and why?
parados
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 10:52 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Quehoniaomath wrote:

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It's not called "rationalizing." It's fact like science.
People like you wouldn't understand the difference


You still are rationalizing,

Now, exactly how and were do I not understand science?

Please explain.

You don't understand science when you claim math has proven evolution can't happen. You don't understand science when the errors in the math and it's assumptions you claim disproves evolution are pointed out to you and you can't respond but instead just ignore those errors.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 10:54 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Quehoniaomath wrote:

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By your stupid questions.


ok, well now, can you show me which question that is and why?



When you ask others to look at the math, it is a stupid question since the math clearly is not what you claim it is.

NOTE - Q will not respond to this because he is incapable of dealing with the math. After spending time trying to tell me I didn't understand statistics and not being able to actually discuss it himself he ran from the issue and refuses to discuss it anymore.
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Herald
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 11:07 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Your numbers are meaningless to me.

This is obvious.

cicerone imposter wrote:
Natural selection has been proven 100% absolutely certain. Your "almost absolutely certain" doesn't even come close.

Where, when, by whom and how?
Herald
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 11:16 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
I'm not your teacher or anything else ... Not my problem you don't understand science or evolution.

If you are not the teacher in science (whatever this might mean) and evolution you don't have the authority and the credentials to make assessments who is '******* idiot' and who is 'fevered minded' ... and so is your fellow-evolutionist, FM.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 11:18 am
@Herald,
Since you are not licensed Herald, it appears you don't have the authority or the credentials to make assessments about who has the authority and credentials to make assessments.
Herald
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 11:21 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
You don't understand science when you claim math has proven evolution can't happen.

... and you don't understand math (we are not talking about science yet) for you cannot even read a formal model of math logic ... without subtitles.
Herald
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 11:23 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
Since you are not licensed Herald

... and you are licensed for an idiot or what ... with the picture of your grandfather from the kindegarten ... in the avatar.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 11:24 am
@Herald,
Herald wrote:

parados wrote:
You don't understand science when you claim math has proven evolution can't happen.

... and you don't understand math (we are not talking about science yet) for you cannot even read a formal model of math logic ... without subtitles.


YAWN!!!!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 11:28 am
@parados,
Some people are so ignorant about science/evolution, they don't even understand the concepts. Evolution is based on change over time whether it takes seconds or thousands of years. It's the process, not the measurement, that proves evolution.

Herald
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 11:38 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Evolution is based on change over time whether it takes seconds or thousands of years. It's the process, not the measurement, that proves evolution.

Ah, Mr Expert-in-Chief in the evolution mumbo-jumbo, may I ask you something. How does that happen that the mutations in the genetic disorders have no problems to become hereditary in several generations and only the beautiful mutations that are supposed to create the new super-species, and that no evolutionist can give an example of so far, need millions of years to become hereditary. What is the difference and how does that happen?
Nobody disputes that you will need million of years to start understanding the question, but why don't you try to answer it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 11:43 am
@Herald,
Because you're an idiot who doesn't comprehend simple concepts. Why should I waste my time on idiots like you?

Evolutionists can't provide 'you' with an answer, because it's a stupid conclusion.
There is no such thing as a
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new super-species.


This only proves your total ignorance. Super species have never been proven.

What happens in the future to living organisms can't be predicted. THAT'S A FACT.

farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 11:44 am
@Herald,
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How does that happen that the mutations in the genetic disorders have no problems to become hereditary in several generations and only the beautiful mutations that are supposed to create the new super-species, and that no evolutionist can give an example of so far, need millions of years to become hereditary. What is the difference and how does that happen?
How do you arrive at this apparent dichotomy in "fixing of genes".
You say that lethal genes can be fixed in a few generations but "beautiful' ones (whatever that is supposed to mean) require millions of years.

Hmmm. Now I know why most Creationits flunk biology. They make **** up as they go.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 11:47 am
@Quehoniaomath,
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I usually rely on evidence for the formulation of my beliefs.
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No you don't, you seem to "buy" any unproven and unevienced crappola out there. Your posts on A2K are written proof that you are somewhat the "Lone Derangeo" (NOw that is an ad hominem)
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 11:51 am
@farmerman,
HERALD BLURTS
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super-species, and that no evolutionist can give an example of so far,
That's also another bullhit lie from you. eve discussed that the difference between birds and reptiles can be seen in the genomes of chickens or other birds. We also can "turn off" the "chicken genes" and return to a chicken with teeth or even more reptilian traits.

Youre losing the argument by your own lack of recall.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 02:13 pm
@Herald,
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Where, when, by whom and how?



EXACTLY! Thank you!!!

can it be more simpler? Wink


But tha question alone makes a lot of people very very very nervous!
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 12:38 am
hey, gunga, want an evolutionary "missing link" between dinosaurs and birds. they just found one. so much for that old canard

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sci/techPlumage aplenty: fossil found of 'four-winged' feathered dinosaur

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11 hr ago | By Will Dunham of Reuters
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - It was built sort of like a biplane but probably did not fly as well, if at all.

Scientists on Tuesday described a fossil of a strange dinosaur that lived in China 125 million years ago which was covered in feathers, looked like it had two sets of wings and may have been able to glide.

The meat-eating creature, called Changyuraptor yangi, had exceptionally long tail feathers, the longest feathers of any dinosaur, at one foot in length (30 cm). It had feather-covered forelimbs akin to wings as well as legs covered in feathers in a way that gave the appearance of a second set of wings.

Changyuraptor is not considered a bird but rather a very bird-like dinosaur. It illustrates that it is not always easy to tell what is and is not a bird. It measured a bit more than 4 feet long (1.3 meters) and weighed roughly 9 pounds (4 kg).

If a person saw Changyuraptor, the reaction likely would be: "Hey! That is a weird-looking bird," according to paleontologist Alan Turner of Stony Brook University in New York, one of the researchers.

"So, think a mid-sized turkey with a very long tail," Turner added.

Scientists have identified a handful of these 'four-winged' dinosaurs, known as microraptorines. Changyuraptor is the largest.

Birds arose from small, feathered dinosaurs. Crow-sized Archaeopteryx, which lived about 150 million years ago, is considered the earliest known bird. But many dinosaurs before and after that had feathers and other bird-like characteristics.

"Changyuraptor is very, very similar to Archaeopteryx and other primitive birds. So are many other dinosaurs like Anchiornis and Pedopenna. But they have some traits that birds lack, and lack some traits that birds have," Turner added.

Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County paleontologist Luis Chiappe, who led the study, said Changyuraptor lived in a forested environment in a temperate climate, hunting birds, mammals, small reptiles and fish.

"Animals like Changyuraptor were probably not engaged in powered flight like modern birds. However, Changyuraptor and dinosaurs like it could flap their wings and certainly had large feathered surfaces on both their forelimbs and hind limbs," Turner said.

"So this does raise the possibility they could glide or 'fly' in a primitive sort of way. The way I like to think of it is: if you pushed them out of a tree, they'd fall pretty slowly," Turner added.

If Changyuraptor were able to become airborne, its long tail feathers may have helped reduce descent speed and enabled safe landings. "This helps explain how animals like Changyuraptor could engage in some form of aerial locomotion - flight, gliding, and/or controlled descents - despite their size," Turner added.

In birds today, feathers can serve multiple functions beyond flight, including display, species recognition and mating rituals. Turner said Changyuraptor's feathers also may have served multiple purposes.

China has become a treasure trove for feathered dinosaur fossils. Changyuraptor was unearthed in Liaoning Province in northeastern China.

The study was published in the journal Nature Communications.

(Reporting by Will Dunham; Editing by James Dalgleish)

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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 03:25 am
@MontereyJack,
Hehehehe . . . using canard when speaking of fossil "birds" . . . that's a good one.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 04:32 am
@MontereyJack,
hmm, The age relationship seems to put it a bit late to be an actual transition (Im not sure that's where the article is going anyway). Ever since, due to the clot of new bird-like dinosaurs from the mid Jurassic of N China, we have a "problem of a wealth of fossils".
Archeopteryx has definitely been taken off the "dawn bird list" and is , instead, considered a "bird -like reptile".
Archeopteryx (and Xiaotingia zhengi orEpidexipteryx hui are a large cluster of Dromeaosaurs that were getting more and more bird-like back in the late Jurassic.
I hope theres a picture of the new one from the Cretaceous because that would need to be either a "left over bird like dinosaur" that didn't bother going extinct yet , or it was a bird like dinosaur that was from a whole new line of adaptees.


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BTW- The Jurassic and Cretaceous beds ofthis area of China were actually a major source of all kinds of fossil specimens that were discovered by Japanese scientists prior to and during WWII, when Japan overran the area. The fossil discoveries were lost for over 40 years following the war and new finds weren't really made until the early 1990's by Chinese scientists.
The entire faunal assemblage from the very late Jurassic through early Cretaceous is known as the JEHOL Faunal assemblage and is a regionally unique chronostratigraphic unit that we use for "indexing" (which is geojargon for " lets try to find where the hell we are"). This area and especially the Jehol were long known (based mostly on fossil nautiloids) as source beds for potential gas recovery. The gas recovery has yet to be begun and this area will be a boomer in years to come because its nicely bound on the bottom by hard dense volcanic rocks that define a huge resource basin.

Sometimes all these fossils can cause years of confusion and arguments at conferences.

If you see a picture of the fossil (there was one in the Washington Post a few weeks ago but it was very crappy)
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 04:43 am
@MontereyJack,
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hey, gunga, want an evolutionary "missing link" between dinosaurs and birds. they just found one. so much for that old canard


Just wait for it. probably another hoax....again!
 

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