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Man Under Materialism

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 23 Sep, 2013 08:29 am
@Setanta,
my amygdala isn't as large as yours perhaps??
Im not dealing with a person per se, Im dealing with an argument forwarded, so I try to separate the delivery from the deliverer. Ive seen gunga pose some rther cogent arguments on other things(as well as some wakdoo **** I admit). So where do I stop communicating?
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 23 Sep, 2013 10:37 am
@farmerman,
Without denigrating you, you're not communicating. Nothing you have to say gets through to Gunga Dim.
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Mon 23 Sep, 2013 10:39 am
@Setanta,
Maybe his amygdala needs a massage.

I'd offer to do it myself, but I'd have to google it first.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 23 Sep, 2013 11:15 am
@Setanta,
well, that may be true set. However, there are sentient beings that read his swill and they may need to know that they are not alone. Smile
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 23 Sep, 2013 11:17 am
@Lordyaswas,
if its my amygdala you wish to mess with, at the least you're gonna have to buy me dinner
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 23 Sep, 2013 11:17 am
@farmerman,
That's a good reason to reply to the Gunga Dim BS. I would urge you in the strongest terms, though, no to delude yourself about anything sinking in with Gunga Dim. We've been telling him these things for literally years--i know i have certainly debunked his version of history many, many times--and he comes right back as though nothing had ever been said to him.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 23 Sep, 2013 11:21 am
@Setanta,
you will also note that most all of his quotes and bibliogs are from the 60's and 70's. Hes not done much of an update as to what the ID crowd has stipulated to , you these last 40 years or so.

Gungas watch stopped in 1973, while everyone else put their watches in a lox box and now consult their atomic watch fired phones
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 23 Sep, 2013 04:38 pm
@farmerman,
Gunga is a swallet for anything that appears on late night AM radio.
The host of this show, George Nori, invites all kinds of fringey people on the air and then grills them. With some hes kind and with others he is semi brutal
He once had a guy on the show who preached about the validity of those "IKA STONES" that gunga asserts are real. The host of the show tore the guest a new one when they discussed the fact that many of these stones were faked by a known artist.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 24 Sep, 2013 04:49 pm
With all the respect in the world: If there is a GOD...the GOD could have intelligently designed the path to where we are now...to be the path of evolution that science seems to be discovering (or has already discovered.)

The only way that I can see to assert that there is no possibility of intelligent design...is to assert that there is no possibility of a GOD existing.

It appears to me that:

If there is the possibility of a GOD...

...(I am not saying there is a GOD; I am not even saying there is the possibility of a GOD...I am merely saying 'IF THERE IS A GOD')...

...then there is the possibility of intelligent design.

So, once again, the only way to assert there is no possibility of intelligent design...is to assert there is no possibility of a GOD.

If my thinking is wrong on this, I'd like to hear where it takes the wrong path.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 24 Sep, 2013 06:30 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
The only way that I can see to assert that there is no possibility of intelligent design...is to assert that there is no possibility of a GOD existing.

I don't think anybody here has asserted that there is no possibility of intelligent design. I can't speak for the others, but what I've said is that there is no need for intelligent design, there is no evidence for intelligent design and the probability for intelligent design is lower than other natural solutions.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 25 Sep, 2013 02:18 am
The term intelligent design cracks me up because of the apparent lack of any intelligent guidance in the accumulation of traits which make up successful organixms.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 25 Sep, 2013 03:51 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
Pointing out that Gunga Dim is a conservative is very much to the point. He believes what he believes for political reasons, not because the evidence points him to a belief. This is polemics, and you see it with Oralloy and David, too. They have a political belief, and that conditions how they see the world. Their comments at this site are polemic--they are motivated by a desire to promote their own political world view, but more than that, to denigrate those who do not believe as they do.

Nonsense. I post the truth because it's the truth. And if anyone dislikes the truth, that does not make the truth "political".

Like I mentioned to JTT earlier when he was targeting me with name-calling, is name-calling like "Gunga Dim" really all that helpful?
gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 25 Sep, 2013 04:12 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
So, once again, the only way to assert there is no possibility of intelligent design...is to assert there is no possibility of a GOD.

If my thinking is wrong on this, I'd like to hear where it takes the wrong path.


People have preconceived notions of God... how he'd have to behave if he exists and so forth. Part of the problem is that God does not appear to obey any such precepts. As far as I can tell from reading, God operates entirely within the laws of physics; if you want violations of phyical, mathematical, and probabilistic laws and particularly if you want them in wholesale lots, you need to be talking to the evolutionites, they specialize in that sort of thing.

The most major proof/demonstration of the basic existence of God is simply the fact that the only other option, evolution, has been overwhelmingly disproved within the past century or thereabouts.

The fruit fly experiments in the early decades of the 1900s (basically a deliberate test of the idea of macroevolution) should have been the end of it. Fruit flies breed new generations every other day so that running any sort of a decades-long experiment with fruit flies will involve more generations of them than there have ever been of anything resembling humans on our planet. Those flies were subjected to everything in the world known to cause mutations and the mutants were recombined every possible way; all they ever got were sterile freaks, and fruit flies. The results were so unambiguous that several prominent scientists publicly denounced evolution as a result.

The failure was due to the fact that our entire living world is driven by information and the only information there ever was in the picture was that for a fruit fly. When the DNA/RNA information scheme was discovered, even if the fruit fly thing had never happened, evolution should have been discarded on the spot. But GIVEN the fact of the fruit fly experiments, somebody HAD to have thought to himself "Hey, THAT'S THE REASON THE FRUIT FLY EXPERIMENTS FAILED!!!!!!"

If living things were composed of clay and simple stuff you might could still argue for evolution, but when you're talking about information schemes and gigantic complexity, that doesn't work.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 25 Sep, 2013 04:17 am
@oralloy,
You let Gunga Dim defend himself. You don't post the truth, you post what you want to believe, or want others to believe is the truth. That's politically motivated, too, because, for example, you attempt to allege that it's Muslims who kill women and children, as though others don't. What about Srebrenica? You don't face inconvenient truths, especially those which interfere with your polemic, such as your obsessional hatred of Muslims.

Don't piss down my leg an tell me it's raining.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 25 Sep, 2013 06:57 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
What about Srebrenica?


What about it?

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=clinton+izetbegovic++5%2C000&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

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gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 25 Sep, 2013 07:14 am
@Setanta,
Can't forget the Bosnian Serb "Death Camp(TM)" at Trnopolje either, can we:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vADGnqDkynw/TSzqPfEL8JI/AAAAAAAACFs/xPvdAkdEb68/s1600/Bosnian+Genocide+%25281992%2529%252C+Ian+Williams%252C+ITN%252C+6+August+1992+-+Trnopolje+concentration+camp.jpg

That was the picture which had Slick KKKlintler and George H. W. Bush trying to outdo eachother talking about how many bombs they were going to drop on Belgrad.

The real story:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/LIE/BOSNIA_PHOTO/bosnia.html




That one is a candidate for greatest propaganda stunt in the past 100 years. It isn't even obvious to me that Joseph Goebbels would have been capable of such a thing.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 25 Sep, 2013 09:14 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

Quote:
So, once again, the only way to assert there is no possibility of intelligent design...is to assert there is no possibility of a GOD.

If my thinking is wrong on this, I'd like to hear where it takes the wrong path.


People have preconceived notions of God... how he'd have to behave if he exists and so forth. Part of the problem is that God does not appear to obey any such precepts. As far as I can tell from reading, God operates entirely within the laws of physics; if you want violations of phyical, mathematical, and probabilistic laws and particularly if you want them in wholesale lots, you need to be talking to the evolutionites, they specialize in that sort of thing.

The most major proof/demonstration of the basic existence of God is simply the fact that the only other option, evolution, has been overwhelmingly disproved within the past century or thereabouts.

The fruit fly experiments in the early decades of the 1900s (basically a deliberate test of the idea of macroevolution) should have been the end of it. Fruit flies breed new generations every other day so that running any sort of a decades-long experiment with fruit flies will involve more generations of them than there have ever been of anything resembling humans on our planet. Those flies were subjected to everything in the world known to cause mutations and the mutants were recombined every possible way; all they ever got were sterile freaks, and fruit flies. The results were so unambiguous that several prominent scientists publicly denounced evolution as a result.

The failure was due to the fact that our entire living world is driven by information and the only information there ever was in the picture was that for a fruit fly. When the DNA/RNA information scheme was discovered, even if the fruit fly thing had never happened, evolution should have been discarded on the spot. But GIVEN the fact of the fruit fly experiments, somebody HAD to have thought to himself "Hey, THAT'S THE REASON THE FRUIT FLY EXPERIMENTS FAILED!!!!!!"

If living things were composed of clay and simple stuff you might could still argue for evolution, but when you're talking about information schemes and gigantic complexity, that doesn't work.



Regardless of how any GOD would or would not behave...or whether humans would be able to determine this...

...the fact remains that IF the possibility of a GOD exists...then the possibility of intelligent design exists.

So...unless one is willing to assert that the existence of a GOD is impossible...then the POSSIBLITY of intelligent design exists.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 25 Sep, 2013 09:46 am
There you go, Oralloy--i mention Srebrenica, and Gunga Dim goes off to find a few online denials that the massacre took place. Even those don't deny that something happened, but try to justify it by claims about what was done to ethnic Serbs.

More to the point, though, is this glaring evidence of a political polemic. Gunga Dim obsessively hates Clinton, because of the air attack on Serbia. So he will guy any kind of witless propaganda, and will promote it--not because it's plausible, not because it's backed by plausible evidence, but because it confirms his political position. You wonder hwy i call him Gunga Dim?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 25 Sep, 2013 09:56 am
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
The only way that I can see to assert that there is no possibility of intelligent design...is to assert that there is no possibility of a GOD existing.

I don't think anybody here has asserted that there is no possibility of intelligent design. I can't speak for the others, but what I've said is that there is no need for intelligent design, there is no evidence for intelligent design and the probability for intelligent design is lower than other natural solutions.


Sorry I missed this, Rosborne.

I would say that some of the people here are indicating that they think intelligent design is impossible. But let's put that aside for a sec.

You said

Quote:
...there is no need for intelligent design...


There may be no need for intellignet design, but there also may be no "need" for mosquitoes.

But mosquitoes exist.

Quote:
...there is no evidence for intelligent design...


That is a gratuituous assessment of the evidence that exists. The evidence that exists for evolution...MAY BE evidence of intelligent design. IF there is a GOD...that may be the way the GOD designed things.

Quote:
...and the probability for intelligent design is lower than other natural solutions.


The probability is identical...because the "natural" solution may be the intelligent design solution.


I am not arguing for the Intelligent Design proponents, because they are playing a game. But they are missing the boat by arguing the way they are. They should be arguing that IF there is the possibility of a GOD...then there is the possibility of intelligent design.

They sh0uld be arguing only the "possibility."

Then if people want to argue that there is no possibility of a GOD existing...the onus for evidence of that falls on them.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 25 Sep, 2013 09:57 am
@Setanta,
The basic google search is || clinton izetbegovic 5,000 ||

Izetbegovic asked how many dead slammites it would take to pull NATO and the US into the Bosnian conflict and SlicKKK said, more or less off the top of his head, 5,000. If he'd said 4,000, then some 1000 extra slammites would be alive today.

Don't take my word for it, do the google search yourself and check any and all of the results.
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