Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 03:47 pm
What has America come to? Yesterday, the Republican Party cut Food Stamps for the needy. There are many families who hold two jobs and need food stamps to supplement the extra food they will need. Now today, the cold-hearted, mean-spirited Republicans have just passed a bill to defund the Affordable Health Care commonly referred to as ObamaCare. The action of the Republican Party is counterproductive because the people will rise up against then; they are already hated by the American people.

The question might be asked why do the American people keep electing these a-s-s-h-o-l-e-s? Well, truth be known, most of these creeps are from safe districts who hate President Obama so badly they would cut off their nose to spite their face if they could get rid of the African American.

The bill the House of Representatives passed today is dead on arrival in the senate. The Affordable Health Care bill is the law of the land and has already been implemented to a degree, to become more so on October 1.

Why would a party want to hurt the American people by passing such punitive bills? They realize the public is mostly against, especially Latinos, African Americans, Gays, senior citizens, students, Independents, and so each Republican Governor is enacting voter repression to make it harder for minorities to vote that way GOP might be able to get into office again. In 2012, they tried voter repression and African Americans broke a record in voting, more came out in November 2012 than ever before, surpassing white voter turnout.

America seems bent on turning back the clock especially since we have the first president of color. The Republicans are serious about shutting down the government if they don't get their way. But they seem not to notice that America is a diverse nation with people from all over the world who are authentic Americans, born here and one day there will be a Latino president, a Japanese-American president, a Chinese-American president, a Native-American president. After all, whites will be in the minority by 2040, but well before then, we are seeing change. Already we have menus in Spanish, the fastest growing minority who will soon be the majority. The GOP cannot hold back the tide.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 03:52 pm
I am in essential agreement here. But what bunches my drawers about elected Democrats is, too many of them are too timid to stand up to this stuff.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 04:12 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Nice rhetoric there MiT.

Beside democratic talking points how about you put some facts up to prove your point. What do the bills say and how is it going to effect all those people?

If all I get is an insult, then I know you don't know what you are talking about.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 04:18 pm
@edgarblythe,
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I am in essential agreement here. But what bunches my drawers about elected Democrats is, too many of them are too timid to stand up to this stuff.


Well, this was the House, led by Ted Cruz, whom Congressman Peter King (NY) called a "Fraud."

I've heard many Democrats speaking out today, especially Nancy Polosi who said Republicans go to church on Sunday to pray and on Monday they return to Congress to PREY on the people.

My impression, Edgar, is that many people in Congress are simply not too intelligent. Their ignorance is unbelievable!
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 04:21 pm
@Baldimo,
I would have said hyperbole instead of rhetoric, but I guess you're right.

If all I get are insults, I know in advance that there is no point in discussion.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 05:44 pm
The move to cut food stamps and to defund the health care laws has to pass the senate and we know that will not happen. The big question of the moment is, will the Republicans shut down the government, in one of the most self defeating moves they could make.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 07:02 pm
@edgarblythe,
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The move to cut food stamps and to defund the health care laws has to pass the senate and we know that will not happen. The big question of the moment is, will the Republicans shut down the government, in one of the most self defeating moves they could make.


I do not believe that will happen. Already, Cruz has said that he did not believe the senate will pass the House bill and perhaps next year will be a better time to try again. The Republicans realize they will bear the brunt of this failure for instance, if the government shuts down. The House will pass the bill sans the "defund ObamaCare" by adding other amendments like the Pipeline drilling, etc. I'm not sure what the House will add in place when the bill is returned to them but one thing is for sure there will most likely not be a government shutdown.

From everything I heard via the media this evening, Ted Cruz (Tea Party darling and kamikaze pilot) has made some intense enemies within his own party; in the cloak room this morning when Ted Cruz wasn't around, many of his Republican colleagues were calling the Texan every vile name in the book, saying they had been "abused" by him (some even on tv, with Rep King referring to him as a fraud) and his think-a-links.

Do you recall when Newt Gingrich caused a government shut down?! There was quite a shakeup afterwards with Gingrich having to give up the speakership. If there were to be a government shutdown, the price will be paid by the Repukes, loud and clear! I am gleefully rubbing my hands for this is good news for the Dems.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 07:07 pm
If they play dueling amendments they will run out of time.
Kolyo
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 07:40 pm
@Baldimo,
Clearly, her goal was to talk with like-minded people rather than with you.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 07:42 pm
@edgarblythe,
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If they play dueling amendments they will run out of time.


My you are the skeptic, Edgar. The Republicans are nervous and this is seen by those who came before the media, claiming they had been taken advantage of. They, however, or shall I say Ted Cruz, is not as intelligent as he's been made out to be. He has alienated many of his Republican colleagues who are just waiting for the bill to come back to him and see him fail.....which he will...the "DeFund ObamaCare" bill is dead on arrival in the senate.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 07:51 pm
I have been watching the moves of fundamentalists all my life and the current crop has the mentality of a fire ant. They are capable of trying anything to get their way.
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roger
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 12:21 am
@Kolyo,
Obviously.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 08:39 am
@Kolyo,
Kolyo wrote:

Clearly, her goal was to talk with like-minded people rather than with you.


It's sometimes the only way to have a conversation about the points that need to be covered, instead of the incessant one upmanship stuff on so many other threads.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 08:56 am
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jay-kirell/veteran-food-stamps_b_3963203.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009
I'm a 35-Year-Old Veteran On Food Stamps

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My name is Jason. I turned 35 less than a week ago. My first job was maintenance work at a public pool when I was 17. I worked 40 hours a week while I was in college. I've never gone longer than six months without employment in my life and I just spent the last three years in the military, one of which consisted of a combat tour of Afghanistan.

Oh, and I'm now on food stamps. Since June, as a matter of fact.

Why am I on food stamps?

The same reason everyone on food stamps is on food stamps: because I would very much enjoy not starving.

I mean, if that's okay with you:

Mr. or Mrs. Republican congressman.
Mr. or Mrs. Conservative commentator.
Mr. or Mrs. "welfare queen" letter-to-the-editor author.
Mr. or Mrs. "fiscal conservative, reason-based" libertarian.
I do apologize for burdening you on the checkout line with real-life images of American-style poverty. I know you probably believe the only true starving people in the world have flies buzzing around their eyes while they wallow away, near-lifeless in gutters.

Hate to burst the bubble, but those people don't live in this country.

I do. And millions like me. Millions of people in poverty who fall into three categories.

Let's call them the "lucky" category, since conservatives seem to think people on welfare have hit some sort of jackpot:

Those living paycheck to paycheck? They're a little lucky.

Those living unemployment check to unemployment check? They're a little luckier.

Those living 2nd of the month to 2nd of the month? Ding! We've hit the jackpot!

The 2nd of the month being the time when funds gets electronically deposited onto the EBT card, [at least in NY] for those who've never been fortunate enough to hit that $175/month Powerball.

I fall into the latter two categories. But I've known people recently -- soldiers in the Army -- who were in the first and third. They were off fighting in Afghanistan while their wives were at home, buying food at the on-post commissary with food stamps.

And nobody bats an eye there, because it's not uncommon in the military.

It's not uncommon -- nor is it shameful. It might be shameful how little service-members are paid, but that's a separate issue.

The fact remains anyone at a certain income level can find it difficult from time to time to pay for everything. And when you're poor you learn to make sacrifices. Food shouldn't be one of them.

The whole concept is un-American. People living here, in the greatest country on Earth, with the most abundant resources, should be forced to go hungry because of the intellectual notion of fiscal conservatism and the ideological notion of self-reliance.

Are you ******* kidding me?

I didn't risk my life in Afghanistan so I could come back and watch people go hungry in America. I certainly didn't risk it so I could come back and go hungry.

Anyone who genuinely supports cutting food stamps is not an intellectual or an ideologue -- they're a bully.

And nobody likes a bully. Except other bullies.

It's time for regular Americans to stand up to these bullies. Not cower in the corner, ashamed of needing help. Because if there's one thing life has taught me, it's that you never know when you'll be the one in need.


edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 09:03 am
@Ceili,
I read that yesterday. But it will roll like water off a duck's back for certain people.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 12:43 pm
Center for Food Safety urges Senate leadership to Remove Rider from House-passed CR
Center for Food Safety decries the vote today by House Republicans to extend the “Monsanto Protection Act” in the short-term 3-month appropriations bill (H.J. Res 59) put forth by House Republican leadership. The bill passed 230-189. The controversial rider, included in last spring’s 6-month continuing resolution (H.R. 933), undermines federal courts’ ability to safeguard farmers, consumers and the environment from potentially hazardous genetically engineered (GE) crops. Today’s continuing resolution spending bill retains that corporate-friendly language.
“It is truly disappointing that the House Republicans continue to push forward this overreaching and damaging corporate earmark,” said Colin O’Neil, director of government affairs for Center for Food Safety. “The American people deserve better than dirty politics, yet the Republican leadership continues to side with the agrichemical companies that the rider seeks to protect.”
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 01:25 pm
@hawkeye10,
oh ya, and those who choose to not work after we have solved the problem should rightly starve. you will not find me feeling sorry for them. no work no eat, assist the collective or else **** you.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 02:23 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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Now today, the cold-hearted, mean-spirited Republicans have just passed a bill to defund the Affordable Health Care commonly referred to as ObamaCare.


The country does need medical reform, but not Obungacare.
The size of obungacare indicates to me that it is about power and not about health care. Likewise Mark Steyn notes that the job of director or head of public health has become the biggest govt. job in European countries which have public health care i.e. it would be a step upwards from PM or President or King or Grand Duke or anything else to head of health care. In other words, European health care is ultimate bureaucracy. If I had the power to I would institute a sort of a basic health care reform which would be overwhelmingly simple and which would resemble the thing we're reading about in no way, shape, or manner. Key points would be:

1. Elimination of lawsuits against doctors and other medical providers. There would be a general fund to compensate victims of malpractice for actual damage and a non-inbred system for weeding out those guilty of malpractice. The non-inbred system would be a tribunal composed not just of oher doctors, but of plumbers, electricians, engineers, and everybody else as well.

2. Elimination of the artificial exclusivity of the medical system. In other words our medical schools could easily produce two or three times the number of doctors they do with no noticeable drop off in quality.

3. Elimination of the factors which drive the cost of medicines towards unaffordability. That would include both lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies and government agencies which force costs into the billions to develop any new drug. There should be no suing a pharmaceutical for any drug which has passed FDA approval and somewhere between thalidamide and what we have now, there should be a happy medium.

4. Elimination of the outmoded WW-II notion of triage in favor of a system which took some rational account of who pays for the system and who doesn't. The horror stories I keep reading about the middle-class guy with an injured child having to fill out forms for three hours while an endless procession of illegal immigrants just walks in and are seen, would end, as would any possibility of that child waiting three hours for treatment while people were being seen for heroin overdoses or other lifestyle issues.

All of those things would fall under the heading of what TR called "trust busting". There would also be some system for caring the truly indigent, but the need and cost would be far less than at present.

By far the biggest item is that first one. I don't know the exact numbers but if you add every cost involved in our present out-of-control lawyering, it has to be a major fraction if not more than half of our medical costs. The trial lawyers' guild being one of the two major pillars of financial support for the democrat party is the basic reason nobody is saying anything about that part of the problem.

Other than that, you almost have to have seen some of the problems close up to have any sort of a feel for them.

Item 2, this is what I saw in grad school some time ago, although I do not have any reason to think much has changed. In the school I attended, there appeared to be sixty or seventy first year med students walking around and all but one or two of them would have made perfectly good doctors, they were all very bright and highly motivated. The only way the school should have lost any of those kids was either they discovered they couldn't deal with the sight of blood in real life or six months later they changed their minds and went off to Hollywood to become actors or actresses; the school should never have lost more than ten percent of them. But they knew from day one that they were keeping 35% of that class.

That system says that you know several things about the guy working on your body: You know he's a survivor, and that's highly unlikely to be from being better qualified than 65% of the other students; You know he hasn't had enough sleep (he's doing his work and the work of that missing 65%); You know he's probably doing some sort of drugs to deal with the lack of sleep... One of my first steps as "health Tsar" or whatever would be to tell the medical schools that henceforth if they ever drop more than15% of an incoming class, they'll lose their accreditation.

Item 3. My father walks into a pharmacy in Switzerland with a bottle of pills he normally pays $50 for in Fla. and asks the pharmacist if he can fill it. "Why certainly sir!", fills the bottle of pills and says "That will be $3.50." Seeing that my father was standing there in a state of shock, the man says "Gee, I'm sorry, Mr. V., you see, we have socialized medicine in Switzerland and if you were a Swiss citizen and paid into the systemn, why I could sell you this bottle of pills for $1.50 but, since you're foreign and do not pay into the system I have to charge you the full price, certainly you can appreciate that."

The guy thought my father was in shock because he was charging him too MUCH... Clearly whatever needs to be done with drugs amounts to trust busting, and not extracting more money from the American people.

Item 4. A caller to the Chris Plant show (D.C./WMAL) the other morning, an ER nurse, noted that much of the costs which her hospital had to absorb, as do most hospitals, was the problem of people with no resources using the ER as their first and only point of contact to the medical profession. She said that there were gang members who were constantly coming in for repairs from bullet holes and knife damage and drug problems, that they could not legally turn any of those people away, and that there was zero possibility of ever collecting any money from any of them, and that the costs of that were gigantic.

Clearly throwing money at that problems is not going to help anything either. Again if I'm the "Medicine Tsar", those guys would be cared for, but not at the ER or at least not the part of the ER where normal people go, and they would not be first in line. Mostly they'd be dealing with medical students who needed the practice patching up knife and bullet damage.

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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 02:25 pm
@edgarblythe,
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The move to cut food stamps and to defund the health care laws has to pass the senate and we know that will not happen.


Not really. The house can simply refuse to pass funding for obungacare under any circumstances whatever, and obungacare is dead.
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