Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 03:24 am
@Leadfoot,
You're just playing word games, which is also typical of you. How do you measure "impact," if not the popularity contest of adherence to a doctrine? The only evidence on individual lives that there is which is not suspect as anecdotal evidence is coercion by christian authorities. Having Jesus shoved down your collective throat while your culture is murdered and replaced with one imposed by the conqueror is hardly persuasive as evidence of "crossing all cultural boundaries." As for "arguing passionately," if you equate passion with disgust . . .

You continue to offer an argumentum ad populum fallacy for your boy Jeebus in various guises--it's still the same BS.
manden
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 03:41 am
@Amoh5,
That is only what you W A N T to believe !
The reality of this within the last 2000 years speaks very different !
And that what the true God and father of the mankind let me recognize !
ALL RELIGIONS ARE MANMADE WITH MANMADE IDOLS !
THAT is the reason why this mankind is in a catastrophal , (almost) godless
state .
Amoh5
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 04:47 am
@manden,
I give allegiance only to God through Lord Jesus the good teacher.
You are correct, I only want to believe in a good teacher.
Good manifests good, bad manifests bad.
Are you a good teacher?
manden
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 05:00 am
@Amoh5,
The best , because my teacher is the true (real) God and father of the mankind .
And you only believe in from human beings invented and imaginated fairy
tales ! WAKE UP ! Can't you see the catastrophal and (almost) godless state
of the mankind since many milleniums . Jesus could not help , but he tried it
at least - in opposite to this mankind today .
Amoh5
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 05:36 am
@manden,
That's good, I hope you can make a positive difference for humanity.
Have you got any magic powers?
manden
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 05:48 am
@Amoh5,
I have no magic power , only knowledge , and I live " with " the real good God .
I tell you what he wants from us - his child - the mankind :
We must learn to live in real harmony ( loving , responsible , sharing ) with his
creation - all human beings and the nature .
That is only possible if the mankind is able to recognize his EXISTENCE at his
creation . This is incredibly difficult for this corrupt and ill mankind - I am
the only human being who could recognize it - of course only because of his
grace against the mankind .
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 05:53 am
I wish you actually read and understood what others write here. It's mankind, not "the" mankind. Your English sucks, and often sinks below the level of comprehensive communication. Many English speakers are going to dismiss your rants because they don't make sense in English. If you paid attention, perhaps you could learn over time. Instead, you're just a spiritual storm trooper, ranting at everyone and insisting that only your ideas are valid.
manden
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 06:00 am
@Setanta,
what I say is valid . I say what the true God let me recognize . Try to understand !
Amoh5
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 06:06 am
@manden,
I hope you were not offended by the magic power question, I just needed to know how realistic your mind is. I wish you all the best of wellness and prosperity, and to your mission to help other people...
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 06:13 am
@manden,
Why don't you try to understand? You live in an echo chamber. All you can hear is yourself.
manden
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 06:16 am
@Setanta,
I say the truth . If you want to understand , is your decision . Think well about it !
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 06:20 am
@manden,
You think well about this: all you do is dictate to people, you're a dictator. You don't give anyone any reason to believe what you say. All you offer is "I say [sic] the truth." Why should anyone believe you? Because you shout at them and stomp your little foot?
manden
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 07:43 am
@Setanta,
You have also reason , logic and moral from our real creator .
You are able to judge what I say , if you try it with all your strength and will
and completely honest to yourself ! BUT this for this corrupt and ill mankind
incredibly difficult .
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 09:00 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
You're just playing word games, which is also typical of you. How do you measure "impact," if not the popularity contest of adherence to a doctrine? The only evidence on individual lives that there is which is not suspect as anecdotal evidence is coercion by christian authorities.
I can only conclude that you are addressing some imagined audience, and not engaging me as an individual. I have told you repeatedly that I am discussing this from my own point of view which was arrived at before ever reading a bible and without the influence of any religion or 'Christian athorities'. Although I have recognized this same 'impact' on the lives of a small handful of others in addition to myself, that could hardly be called arguing from the standpoint of popularity. I won't deny that there are signs of a different kind of impact on society at large (you can't even write the date without unwittingly acknowledging it) but that is never the point I've based my views on.

But still you go on banging the same drums. I'd be happy to discuss the topic as long as you wish but watching you pound the pulpit for your congregation is just boring.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 09:10 am
@Leadfoot,
...yes it is meaningles pot shot gang warfare...I have no problem you taking some insight from literature and metaphor...I may agree there are better books to read but that is besides the point. So long you feel fuzzy and warm with the Bibble dictums without trumping diversity of belief around you, your position is personal, justified, and mostly harmless...

...nevermind the policeman of A2K...he loves to give tickets all around his pissing territory to mark his dominance...in the rare ocasion he has something meaningful or original to say reply, otherwise you ought to ignore the waterworks of snail pissing talk.
manden
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 09:20 am
YOU ALL HERE ARE NOT REALLY INTERESTED !

And only with full engagement you have a little chance to come forward !
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 09:25 am
@manden,
Your fault...make it interesting !
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 09:26 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Quote:
So long you feel fuzzy and warm with the Bibble dictjms without trumping diversity of belief around you your position is personal, justified, and mostly harmless...
Diversity of belief (or experience) is actually much of the point about this life so I would never insist on conformity. I think the only exception I've ever expressed is that reality must be acknowledged.

And as always, your reality may vary...
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manden
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 11:49 am
WRONG ! There is the A B S O L U T E truth !
But you don't want to accept it !
THAT YOU ARE ALMOST NOTHING WITHOUT THE GRACE OF THE TRUE
GOD !
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 12:12 pm
@manden,
Quote:
WRONG ! There is the A B S O L U T E truth !
Sure, At the bottom of it all there is truth. But the paths and experiences people follow are as varied as the people following them. It looks to me like there is a learning program designed for each of us if we are willing to follow it. There is no question that most people don't though, so in that, we agree. The 'departure point' always has at it's root - 'the denial of reality'.
 

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