neologist
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2014 12:14 pm
@worldtraveler24,
I can follow you in that Jesus is a god. As the first born of creation, he was given use of God's spirit as he became the creator of all things according to his father's purpose. There is no denying Jesus' supreme place in the heavenly array. But if one was to assert he is or was God incarnate, it devalues his sacrifice, both in reference to what it meant to Jehovah and in accordance with Satan's demands to test Jehovah's beloved.

See Proverbs ch 8 and Job 2:4, among others
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2014 03:58 pm
Quote:
Frank Apisa accused me of: Paranoia...and delusion. Quite a combo!

Allow me to play my trump card mate-
My solicitor sent me to a psychiatrist in 2002 in connection with a vigilante court case I was facing, and the shrink's report concluded by saying I'm not nutty!--
"He is a very strongwilled individual which would account for the trouble he now finds himself in with the police, but I can find no grounds for entering a plea of 'not guilty by reason of insanity' because his behaviour was appropriate throughout the interview "

In other words the shrink pronounced me sane..Smile
That rules me out of joining the JW's, Mormons, Catholics, Pentecostalists and other nutty cults then (sniffle)
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2014 05:25 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
That's a real trump card, if only the rest of us had been compelled by a court to visit a psychiatrist for criminal activity, then we could prove we weren't insane. You must be really pleased that the psychiatrist saw through your attempt to cop a plea.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2014 05:37 pm
@izzythepush,
Or that he drew an incompetent psychiatrist. Wink

(Just kidding, Romeo.)
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Enaj
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2014 08:22 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Well, if you do not wish to discuss Is Jesus God from the bible, then use any religious book or even non-religious book as you please. The name of the thread is ..Is Jesus God? and so that is the topic.

And have you considered that you might be wrong? That there is a God, not that he is fiction? I doubt that you have.
Your reply to my last statement shows that you did not read it accurately..as I said: Also, it seems that you have never considered that you might be wrong about it all be fiction, that God might be real, that is being closed-minded.

And you respond with this....
Quote:
Not only have I considered that it might be fiction...I have actually written those words a couple of times here. You apparently are too close-minded to read what I write.
....

I didn't ask you if you considered that it might be fiction.....but whether you ever considered that you might be wrong about it all being fiction.

Read more carefully, and try to be in control, you are ranting.
No one takes ranting very seriously.
Enaj
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2014 08:34 pm
@worldtraveler24,
Quote:
God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


God was manifested in the flesh by Jesus representing Him. To manifest isn't the same as being incarnated. Angels that appeared to men in the OT were also manifesting God, and it did not make them God, and neither does it make Jesus God.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 02:37 am
@Enaj,
Enaj wrote:

Well, if you do not wish to discuss Is Jesus God from the bible, then use any religious book or even non-religious book as you please. The name of the thread is ..Is Jesus God? and so that is the topic.

And have you considered that you might be wrong? That there is a God, not that he is fiction? I doubt that you have.


Jesus H. Christ, Enaj...do you know how to read?

I do NOT KNOW if there is a god or not. THERE MAY BE A GOD.

I cannot be any more clear than that.

SO...not only have I considered it...I have mentioned it here to you several times. I am sorry you have so much trouble with the language.


Quote:

Your reply to my last statement shows that you did not read it accurately..as I said: Also, it seems that you have never considered that you might be wrong about it all be fiction, that God might be real, that is being closed-minded.

And you respond with this....
Quote:
Not only have I considered that it might be fiction...I have actually written those words a couple of times here. You apparently are too close-minded to read what I write.
....

I didn't ask you if you considered that it might be fiction.....but whether you ever considered that you might be wrong about it all being fiction.


If anyone else here can explain to Enaj how the English language works...I would appreciate the help.

Quote:
Read more carefully, and try to be in control, you are ranting.
No one takes ranting very seriously.


I am not ranting...I am simply getting exasperated over the fact that you cannot understand the English language.
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worldtraveler24
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 09:15 am
@Enaj,
I can appreciate your sincerity but I was a language major in college and according to the English I read in the Bible Jesus Christ is God Incarnate! See the infallible proof below.

Neo,
If you continue to call Him a demigod then you are a Binarian as opposed to a Trinarian. That puts you in the camp of polytheists!



"...they shall call his name EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US."

--MATTHEW 1:23


Proofs from the word of God,
The Authorized King James Bible of 1611
God

Jesus

God never changes.
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Jesus never changes.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

God is the only Saviour.
"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." Isaiah 43:11

To the only wise God our Saviour... Jude 1:12

God our Saviour. Titus 2:10

...we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour. I Timothy 4:10

God my Saviour. Luke 1:47
Jesus is the only Saviour.
...the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 1 John 4:14

...our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 3:18

...God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 1:1

...the Christ, the Saviour of the world. John 4:42

...the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. Titus 1:4

a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. Luke 2:11

Neither is there salvation in any other [than Jesus]: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
--Acts 4:12

...salvation... is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
--2 Timothy 2:10

...captain of their salvation [Jesus] perfect through sufferings.
-- Heb 2:10

[Jesus]...author of eternal salvation...
-- Heb 5:9


God

Jesus

God created the universe and earth by Himself.
I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. Isaiah 44:24

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:1
Jesus Christ created the universe and the earth.
nto the Son he saith...Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands. Hebrews 1:10

y him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth...all things were created by him, and for him. Colossians 1:16

All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. John 1:3


God

Jesus

God is the Word.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God John 1:1
Jesus is the Word.
...the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...John 1:14


God

Jesus


God is the first and the last.

I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he. Isaiah 41:4

Jesus is the first and the last.

Jesus said, "Fear not; I am the first and the last:" Revelation 1:17





God

Jesus

God forgives sins.
[T]he Lord..forgiveth all thine iniquities... Psalm 103:2-3

"[W]ho can forgive sins but God only?" Mark 2:7
Jesus forgives sins.
Jesus...said..."Son, thy sins be forgiven thee." Mark 2:5


God

Jesus

God is our redeemer.
[T]hou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer.. Isaiah 63:16
Jesus redeemed us.
[T]he great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ...gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity.. Titus 2:13-14


God

Jesus


God is one.

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD. Deuteronomy 6:4

Jesus and God are one.

I and my Father are one. John 10:30

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...All things were made by him...He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us John 1:1, 3, 10, 14

Jesus saith...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:9

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7


God has a Son.

[T]he LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Psalms 2:7

Jesus is God's Son.

... [Jesus] said also that God was his Father... John 5:18





God

Jesus

God is the Holy One
Psalms 71:22 I will also praise thee with the psaltery, even thy truth,O my God: unto thee will I sing with the harp, O thou Holy One of Israel.

Psalms 78:41 Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel.

Psalms 89:18 For the LORD is our defence; and the Holy One of Israel is our king.

Isaiah 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.

Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (Messianic Psalm)
Jesus is the Holy One.
Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

3:13-14 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

13:34-35 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.


God

Jesus

Only God is worshipped.
... Then saith Jesus unto him... Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Matthew 4:10
Jesus is worshipped.
While [Jesus] spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him... Matthew 9:18

And again, when [God] bringeth in the firstbegotten [Jesus] into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Hebrews 1:6

And Thomas answered and said unto [Jesus], My Lord and my God. John 20:28


God

Jesus

God is Messiah.
...unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder...and his name shall be called... The mighty God, The everlasting Father... Isaiah 9:6
Jesus is Messiah.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. John 4:25-26


God

Jesus


God is from everlasting.

The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved. Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting. Psalms 93:1-2

Jesus is from everlasting.

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah...out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. Micah 5:2





God

Jesus

Only God is glorified.
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another... Isaiah 42:8
God glorified Jesus.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 17:5

[A]ll men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. John 5:23

But unto the Son he [God] saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 1:8


God

Jesus

God is 'I am'.
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. Exodus 3:14
Jesus is 'I am'.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58

God heals all diseases.
Bless the LORD...who healeth all thy diseases. Psalms 103:2
Jesus healed all manner of sickness and disease.
[Jesus] healed all that were sick. Matthew 8:16

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Matthew 4:24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

Matthew 8:16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

Matthew 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

Matthew 12:15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all;

Matthew 12:22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.

Matthew 14:14 And Jesus went forth, and saw a great multitude, and was moved with compassion toward them, and he healed their sick.

Matthew 15:30 And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them:

Matthew 19:2 And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there.

Matthew 21:14 And the blind and the lame came to him in the temple; and he healed them.

Mark 3:10 For he had healed many; insomuch that they pressed upon him for to touch him, as many as had plagues.

Luke 4:40 Now when the sun was setting, all they that had any sick with divers diseases brought them unto him; and he laid his hands on every one of them, and healed them.

Luke 5:15 But so much the more went there a fame abroad of him: and great multitudes came together to hear, and to be healed by him of their infirmities.

Luke 6:17 And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people out of all Judaea and Jerusalem, and from the sea coast of Tyre and Sidon, which came to hear him, and to be healed of their diseases;

Luke 6:18 And they that were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed.

Luke 6:19 And the whole multitude sought to touch him: for there went virtue out of him, and healed them all.

God is the Judge of the whole earth.
O Lord God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself. Lift up thyself, thou judge of the earth: render a reward to the proud. Psalms 94:1-2

[Abraham to God]...Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? Genesis 18:25
Jesus is the Judge of the whole earth.
[T]he Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: John 5:22

God has life in Himself.
[T]he Father hath life in himself; John 5:26
Jesus has life in Himself.
so hath [God] given to the Son to have life in himself;

In [Jesus] was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:4

God raises the dead.
[T]he Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; John 5:21
Jesus raises the dead.
[T]he Son quickeneth whom he will. John 5:21










Conclusion...



Jesus Christ is God
timur
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 09:43 am
Worldtraveler wrote:
Proofs from the word of God,
The Authorized King James Bible of 1611


http://bobbiblogger.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/god.jpg
worldtraveler24
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 09:43 am
@neologist,
Neo,
If Jesus is not GOD show me in scripture where He is not. I have just provided a good many proofs from the scripture that emphatically show that JESUS IS GOD in the flesh.

Only one who wants to push a separate agenda would deny the proof in the scripture of the deity of Jesus the Christ! Face it your Psalms chapter 8 is totally misinterpreted. The sacrifice that Jesus made is far greater than what the witnesses or any of the trinitarians say.

There was no one in human kind that was pure and could be the sacrifice for our sins--so Jehovah took on the form of man and became the sacrifice for us. You don't call that love? What do you call it? Why does Jesus mean God our Salvation?

Why did Isaiah call the messiah Immanuel? God with us?? Why are these scriptures in the Bible if Jesus is not GOD--I in no wise see anywhere in the scripture where Jesus is a mere angel.

GOD JEHOVA robed Himself in flesh and His flesh died--took all of the beatings and the cat-of-nine tails for your sins and mine. He was the ONLY one who could raise His own flesh from the grave--He was GOD. Jesus said I am the resurrection and the Life. How can you argue with that?

The biggest issue you have is that you have been taught that Jesus is an angel and that He is not God. If you truly believe the scripture then erase the false dogma you have been taught and read the Bible for what it says ! The scripture emphatically states that Jesus is GOD in the flesh!
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 09:44 am
@timur,
timur wrote:

Worldtraveler wrote:
Proofs from the word of God,
The Authorized King James Bible of 1611


http://bobbiblogger.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/god.jpg


Apparently that is something these otherwise decent folk cannot understand.
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timur
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 09:46 am
What could be the reason for that?
worldtraveler24
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 09:46 am
@timur,
hehehehehe haaahaaahaaahaaa You are so funny!!!!


haaaaahaaaahaaa!!

Why is it that you insist on being such a comedian?? I wish I had your humor!!!

hAAAHAAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA hEHEHEHE!!
worldtraveler24
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 09:48 am
@timur,
Perhaps BECAUSE we have had an experience with GOD that you obviously have not had. I would suggest that you DON"T knock it until you try it! Any rational sane minded person (as you think you are) would prove something before prejudging it!
timur
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 09:52 am
@worldtraveler24,
I have experiences and many reasons just under my eyes to discard the possibility of the existence of god.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 09:54 am
@worldtraveler24,
Some people can do irony, others just cant help overegging the custard.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 09:55 am
@timur,
Apparently WorldTraveler does not realize that a "rational sane-minded person" would proceed this way:

I am going to make a blind guess that the Bible (written by people over two thousand years ago) is an accurate depiction of REALITY...

...and since the Bible (written by people over two thousand years ago) tells us there is a god who made everything...

...I am therefore blindly guessing that there is a god who made everything.


Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 10:11 am
Quote:
Izzypush said to me: That's a real trump card, if only the rest of us had been compelled by a court to visit a psychiatrist for criminal activity, then we could prove we weren't insane. You must be really pleased that the psychiatrist saw through your attempt to cop a plea.

But mate, the shrink found me SANE..Smile
If I'd really wanted to make him think I was nutty I'd have took a **** on the floor of his office and claimed to be a Jehovah's Witness or Mormon or something to get myself certified crazy!

PS- one of the questions the shrink asked me was "do you masturbate?", and I think the answer I gave him played a big part in proving I was sane.
If you're wondering what my reply was, i'm not going to coach you by telling you..Smile
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 10:24 am
timur wrote:


http://bobbiblogger.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/god.jpg

Whoa Jack, not a single eyewitness saw Spiderman, but 5 MILLION saw Jesus, spot the difference?
And not only did he say God exists, but he PROVED it by doing 37 miracles by the power of God working through him..Smile
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kiuku
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2014 10:30 am
there's no such thing as a mental disease therefore there is no such thing as a psychiatrist
 

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