Is Jesus God?

@Frank Apisa,

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I am willing to discuss the Bible in a more open-minded way than either Enaj or you, Romeo.

Yet, you haven't done so.
The title of the thread is....Is Jesus God?
So, pick a bible verse and explain how and why you think it supports or doesn't support that Jesus is God. And have a discussion on it with others.

If you do not believe that God or Jesus are real then discuss that on a thread that has to do with that.

Also, it seems that you have never considered that you might be wrong about it all be fiction, that God might be real, that is being closed-minded.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

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But mate, Enaj likes to open-mindedly discuss the Bible,

Thanks

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Frank Apisa said: ..almost everything the Bible says about REALITY...and about the existence of a god..MAY BE FICTION.
That is open-mindedness.

Nah mate, that's bordering on paranoia!
I mean, the 5 million population of Israel plus the Roman garrison saw and heard Jesus strutting his stuff for 3 long years, but you don't trust them! Who do you think they saw, Mary Poppins?
Oh, and you recently accused me and WorldTraveller of being bisexual!
Pull yourself together huh?.. Wink

WIKI- "Paranoid thinking typically includes.. false accusations and the general distrust of others"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia

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@Enaj,

Enaj wrote:

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I am willing to discuss the Bible in a more open-minded way than either Enaj or you, Romeo.

Yet, you haven't done so.
The title of the thread is....Is Jesus God?
So, pick a bible verse and explain how and why you think it supports or doesn't support that Jesus is God. And have a discussion on it with others.

Wake up, Enaj. Whether the Bible says Jesus is god or not...has absolutely nothing whatever to do with whether or not Jesus is god. And in fact, whether the Bible says there is a god or not...has absolutely nothing whatever to do with whether or not there is a god.

If the question had been, "Does the Bible say that Jesus is God?" perhaps some of what you are saying and requesting would make sense. As it stands, however, it doesn't.

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If you do not believe that God or Jesus are real then discuss that on a thread that has to do with that.

I will discuss whatever I want to...wherever I want to. If you choose not to read what I write...that is okay with me. But do not tell me what I must write...and where I must write it.

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Also, it seems that you have never considered that you might be wrong about it all be fiction, that God might be real, that is being closed-minded.

Not only have I considered that it might be fiction...I have actually written those words a couple of times here. You apparently are too close-minded to read what I write.

Your problem...not mine.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Frank Apisa said: ..almost everything the Bible says about REALITY...and about the existence of a god..MAY BE FICTION.
That is open-mindedness.

Nah mate, that's bordering on paranoia!

It has nothing to do with paranoia...and everything to do with open-mindedness.

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I mean, the 5 million population of Israel plus the Roman garrison saw and heard Jesus strutting his stuff for 3 long years, but you don't trust them! Who do you think they saw, Mary Poppins?

You have no idea of who saw what...and the Bible is suspect as an indicator of what happened 2000 years ago.

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Oh, and you recently accused me and WorldTraveller of being bisexual!
Pull yourself together huh?..

No I did not. I stated a few facts about a statement you made. Live with it.

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WIKI- "Paranoid thinking typically includes.. false accusations and the general distrust of others"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia

So does that mean you are paranoid?

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Romeo said to Frank Apisa: ..you recently accused me and WorldTraveller of being bisexual!
Frank Apisa replied: No I did not. I stated a few facts about a statement you made. Live with it.

Here's what you said to me and WT mate-
"Some like me will only be aroused by the opposite sex.Some, like the gays here, will only be aroused by the same sex.And apparently some, like you two, are aroused by both, but make a choice. That does not mean it is universal" (Frank Apisa, Fri Jul 18 2014)

See, you clearly imply I'm bisexual, or have I misunderstood what you were trying to say?
You haven't made my "Loser's List" yet, but you're sailing pretty close to the wind.. Wink

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Romeo said: WIKI- "Paranoid thinking typically includes.. false accusations and the general distrust of others"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia

Frank Apisa replied: So does that mean you are paranoid?

You're the one displaying the symptoms mate not me, by distrusting the testimonies of countless thousands of bible eyewitnesses!
Also, when I posted some of my fan mail a while back you displayed the symptoms again by implying that I'd made it all up myself!-
"It must take up lots of your time to manufacture all those identities just so you can post something like this" (Frank Apisa. 11 Oct 2013)

Some of my delighted fans-

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@timur,

Jesus was man and GOD. You are flesh and spirit as well.

Jesus when He walked the earth was dually humanity and deity.
It does not take a rocket scientist to figure this one out.

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@worldtraveler24,

That's why you patently aren't a rocket scientist..

You still have no proof that Jesus existed, other than your belief..

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@timur,

Thank you for affirming the stupidity of the trinitarian doctrine.

Though it may not mean anything to you, it is also a doctrine that dishonors God and trivializes Jesus' sacrifice.

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@neologist,

I agree--I am NOT a Trinitarian neither were the apostles. The early church knew nothing about Trinitarianism. This was the making of Constantine and the Catholic Church.

God indeed was manifested in the flesh. See John the first chapter.

He was seen of angles, received up into glory--Who? The scriptures say God. Who was Jesus? According to the scripture below HE IS GOD! Not a second person in a triune god head nor was he an angel nor was he Jehovah JR.

I Timothy 3:16
16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

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Worldtraveler wrote:

He was seen of angles,

You mean the people who lived in Great Britain?

That would be a 180° turn..

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Romeo said to Frank Apisa: ..you recently accused me and WorldTraveller of being bisexual!
Frank Apisa replied: No I did not. I stated a few facts about a statement you made. Live with it.

Here's what you said to me and WT mate-
"Some like me will only be aroused by the opposite sex.Some, like the gays here, will only be aroused by the same sex.And apparently some, like you two, are aroused by both, but make a choice. That does not mean it is universal" (Frank Apisa, Fri Jul 18 2014)

See, you clearly imply I'm bisexual, or have I misunderstood what you were trying to say?
You haven't made my "Loser's List" yet, but you're sailing pretty close to the wind..

Could not care less about whether I make your "loser's list"...mostly because you are one of the poorest judges of character I've dealt with in A2K.

Anyway...I did not imply you are bisexual. I merely stated the obvious: If you are so sure homosexuality is a choice...you must be able to make that choice.

I cannot...and there is no way I can conceive of homosexuality as a choice, because I simply am not aroused in any sexual way by men.

Either you are...or you are using the "it is a choice" nonsense as a hypocrite.

You decide.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Romeo said: WIKI- "Paranoid thinking typically includes.. false accusations and the general distrust of others"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia

Frank Apisa replied: So does that mean you are paranoid?

You're the one displaying the symptoms mate not me, by distrusting the testimonies of countless thousands of bible eyewitnesses!

You most assuredly ARE displaying the symptoms you mentioned, Romeo. I guess another typical trait is the inability to see that it is happening. And you are obsessing about it...which might be yet another trait.

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Frank Apisa said to me: Could not care less about whether I make your "loser's list"...mostly because you are one of the poorest judges of character I've dealt with in A2K.
Anyway...I did not imply you are bisexual

1- I've already said you're NOT on my Losers List mate because my judgement of your character is that you don't deserve to be added to it at the moment, or have I judged your character wrongly?
2- Okay you now say you DIDN'T imply I'm bisexual, so let's put it down to just a mutual misunderstanding and let it go.. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Frank Apisa said to me: Could not care less about whether I make your "loser's list"...mostly because you are one of the poorest judges of character I've dealt with in A2K.
Anyway...I did not imply you are bisexual

1- I've already said you're NOT on my Losers List mate because my judgement of your character is that you don't deserve to be added to it at the moment, or have I judged your character wrongly?
2- Okay you now say you DIDN'T imply I'm bisexual, so let's put it down to just a mutual misunderstanding and let it go..

All okay with me, Romeo.

We are making progress! Wink

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@Frank Apisa,

You should really try harder, Frank. Romeo's $%&*t list is truly a badge of honor to which only I of all a2kers have so far attained. I would be pleased and humbled by your inclusion, old friend.

In spite of the fact that you are a cantankerous old geezer. Laughing

BTW, take note of the fact that profanity is not required.

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Frank Apisa said to me: You most assuredly ARE displaying the symptoms [paranoia]...you are obsessing about it...which might be yet another trait.

But mate my loyal fans DEMAND that I keep poking you (and others) through the bars of your cages with a stick to make you hop and screech like baboons for their entertainment.. Smile

ChildofLight - "So good to read your responses Mick, some are quite witty and made LOL"
HenryS - "You are brilliant Mick in finding appropriate phrases."
Kierri - "That was one of the best explanations I've ever heard! Yay for Mick in Plymouth"
Haimehenmmli - "I LOVE IT MATE!!! I'm going to put it into my files, with some of my other favorites, from you"
Evachrst3 - "Right on, Mick, I couldn't agree more.Thank you for defending the faith so eloquently".
Ainglkiss - "Mick what a wonderful story. You write so well. Keep up the great work"
MonkGirl - "Wow, thank you Mick! That is really comforting...and all I really needed to hear!"
JeffC - "HELL YEAH! PREACH IT BROTHER, THE REALITY WAY! (LUV YUR STYLE....)
Megan - "Mick, I just wanted to tell you that I loved this story, it was very touching"
Allisoneness -"You are the one true Christian in here [a demon-possessed forum elsewhere], keep up the good work and praise the Lord"
Antipas - "Brilliant yet again Mick"
Easynote - "ROFL Mick you are pure class, another of your timeless classics!"
Kermit - "I love Mick. He is so, how shall I say it, RIGHT ON THE MONEY AND FUNNY, TOO"
Chrysalis55- "Just want to say, I love your posts and your messages not only insprire me, sometimes they make me laugh"
Evenflow- I just LOVE this post You have made me smile BIG TIME this morning. Good for you and what a great attitude you have to life xx
Apple Pie - "Really good to see you, Mick. Come on over to 4church, we could do with your input and your humour"
Lillian - "Mick please come back..it's nice having you on the board"
Luismtzzz- "I like how you reason religion. I am enjoying your answers"
Spannerose - "Mick, I would like you to know that the result of reading your posts I am left with the desire to pick up my bible for the first time in years"

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Frank Apisa said to me: You most assuredly ARE displaying the symptoms [paranoia]...you are obsessing about it...which might be yet another trait.

But mate my loyal fans DEMAND that I keep poking you (and others) through the bars of your cages with a stick to make you hop and screech like baboons for their entertainment..

ChildofLight - "So good to read your responses Mick, some are quite witty and made LOL"
HenryS - "You are brilliant Mick in finding appropriate phrases."
Kierri - "That was one of the best explanations I've ever heard! Yay for Mick in Plymouth"
Haimehenmmli - "I LOVE IT MATE!!! I'm going to put it into my files, with some of my other favorites, from you"
Evachrst3 - "Right on, Mick, I couldn't agree more.Thank you for defending the faith so eloquently".
Ainglkiss - "Mick what a wonderful story. You write so well. Keep up the great work"
MonkGirl - "Wow, thank you Mick! That is really comforting...and all I really needed to hear!"
JeffC - "HELL YEAH! PREACH IT BROTHER, THE REALITY WAY! (LUV YUR STYLE....)
Megan - "Mick, I just wanted to tell you that I loved this story, it was very touching"
Allisoneness -"You are the one true Christian in here [a demon-possessed forum elsewhere], keep up the good work and praise the Lord"
Antipas - "Brilliant yet again Mick"
Easynote - "ROFL Mick you are pure class, another of your timeless classics!"
Kermit - "I love Mick. He is so, how shall I say it, RIGHT ON THE MONEY AND FUNNY, TOO"
Chrysalis55- "Just want to say, I love your posts and your messages not only insprire me, sometimes they make me laugh"
Evenflow- I just LOVE this post You have made me smile BIG TIME this morning. Good for you and what a great attitude you have to life xx
Apple Pie - "Really good to see you, Mick. Come on over to 4church, we could do with your input and your humour"
Lillian - "Mick please come back..it's nice having you on the board"
Luismtzzz- "I like how you reason religion. I am enjoying your answers"
Spannerose - "Mick, I would like you to know that the result of reading your posts I am left with the desire to pick up my bible for the first time in years"

Paranoia...and delusion. Quite a combo! Wink

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