Is Jesus God?

I said that, Frank.
And I meant that.
The world is full highly moral peace loving individuals. Every group has many shining examples - - - and some detractors. It's the detractors you will find missing from the JWs, Frank. Very very rare.

Yeah, but didn't you say that some gays are OK?

Let me correctly answer you question...the closed minded are those who refuse to understand that there is a spiritual world as well as a physical. That would be closed minded.

Why shouldn't you take the Bible seriously Timur? You cannot refute the facts!

"Manuscript Evidence. There are way more copies of the biblical manuscripts, with remarkable consistency between them, than there are for any of the classics like Plato, Aristotle and Socrates. "There is no body of ancient literature in the world which enjoys such a wealth of good textual attestation as the New Testament." F.F. Bruce, The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable?
2.Archaeological Evidence. Again and again archaeological discoveries have verified the accuracy of the historical and cultural references in the Bible. The more they dig, the more it confirms the Bible. “It is important to note that Near Eastern archaeology has demonstrated the historical and geographical reliability of the Bible in many important areas.” E.M. Blaiklock, The New International Dictionary of Biblical Archaeology.
3.Eyewitness Accounts. The Bible was written by people who witnessed the events it describes; many were persecuted or martyred but never changed their story. Would you die for something you knew was untrue? “It is no moderate approbation of Scripture that it has been sealed by the blood of so many witnesses, especially when we reflect that they died to render testimony to the faith …with a firm and constant, yet sober, zeal toward God.” John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion.
4.Corroborating Accounts. There are plenty of references in non-biblical sources to the events described in the Bible. The Jewish historian Josephus, born in 37 AD, “provide(s) indispensable background material for the student of…New Testament history. In them, we meet many figures well known to us from the New Testament. Some of his writings provide direct commentary on New Testament references.” J.D. Douglas, ed., The New Bible Dictionary.
5.Literary Consistency. The Bible contains 66 books written over 1,500 years by 40 different writers but it tells one "big story" of God's plan of salvation that culminated in Jesus Christ. You can't even pass a secret around a circle of 12 people and get the same message at the end. “There is indeed a wide variety of human authors and themes (in the Bible). Yet behind these…there lies a single divine author with a single unifying theme.” John R.W. Stott, Understanding the Bible.
6.Prophetic Consistency. There are over 300 specific prophecies in the Old Testament that are fulfilled in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ in the New Testament. “The very dimension of the sheer fulfillment of prophecy of the Old Testament Scriptures should be enough to convince anyone that we are dealing with a supernatural piece of literature….God has himself planted within the scriptures an internal consistency that bears witness that this is his Word.” R.C. Sproul, Now That’s a Good Question.
7.Expert Scrutiny. The early church had extremely high standards for what books were judged to be authentic and therefore included in the Bible. A book had to have been written by an Apostle or someone in their immediate circle, had to conform to basic Christian faith and had to be in widespread use among many churches. This was a careful process of “the people of God in many different places, coming to recognize what other believers elsewhere found to be true”; these writings were truly God’s word. G.J. Wenham, J.A. Motyer, D.A. Carson and R.T. France, The New Bible Commentary.
8.Leader Acceptance. A majority of the greatest leaders and thinkers in history have affirmed the truth and impact of the Bible. "I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given man. All the good from the Savior of the world is communicated to us through this book. But for it we could not know right from wrong.” Abraham Lincoln.
9.Global Influence. The Bible has had a greater influence on the laws, art, ethics, music and literature of world civilization than any other book in history. Can you think of one that even comes close? “Christianity”, as set forth in the Bible “is responsible for a disproportionately large number of the humanitarian advances in the history of civilization—in education, medicine, law, the fine arts, working for human rights and even in the natural sciences….” Craig L. Blomberg, in Christian Apologetics: A Comprehensive Case for Biblical Faith.
10.Changed Lives. From St. Augustine to Martin Luther to Joni Eareckson Tada to countless everyday men, women and children, the words of the Bible have transformed lives unmistakably and forever. “As unnamed masses of Christians down through the ages have shown us, the Bible is the most reliable place to turn for finding the key to a life of love and good works.” T.M. Moore, The Case for the Bible."
http://www.essentialbibleblog.com/2013/03/top-10-reasons-bible-is-true.html

enaj...you are full of soup.

I am as open-minded as anyone in this forum...and certainly a great deal more open minded than you.

I acknowledge that I do not know what the true nature of the REALITY of existence is...

...and I acknowledge that there could be a GOD...a creator GOD...involved.

I do not know if there is or there is not. And I acknowledge that the "evidence" for or against gods is ambiguous, inconclusive...and most assuredly does not favor one side or the other.

Are you open-minded enough to acknowledge that there MAY BE NO GODS involved...and that all gods ever worshiped on this planet may be fictional creations of humans? Are you open-minded enough to acknowledge that the "evidence" for or against gods is ambiguous, inconclusive...and most assuredly does not favor one side or the other?

C'mon...show us all that you are as open-minded as I, Enaj.

I'm betting you cannot do it...because to me, you are totally close minded.

Are they missing, NEo...or are they very, very rare?

If they are very, very rare...they are not missing.

This thread is titled Is Jesus God? And so will go back to that.

Romans 15:6 (English-NIV)
so that with one heart and mouth you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:3 (English-NIV)
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort,

2 Corinthians 11:31 (English-NIV)
The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, who is to be praised forever, knows that I am not lying.

Ephesians 1:3 (English-NIV)
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.

Colossians 1:3 (English-NIV)
We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

1 Peter 1:3 (English-NIV)
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Ephesians 1:17 (English-NIV)
I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better.

“My father is greater than all,” John 10:29.

“My Father is greater than I,” John 14:

“Why callest thou me Good? There is none good but one, that is God,” Matt 19:17. He denies that he is God.

Go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father; and to my God and your God,” John 20:17.

6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Cor. 8: 6.


The son is depended on God.
“The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do,” John 5:19. “The Father loveth the Son, and showth him all things that himself doeth” John 5:20.


So, is Jesus God?
Sure doesn't seem so according to the bible.

And what does that have to do with whether or not Jesus is God?

Who is He then? Why did they crucify Him?

To the theists here, a message from Al Pacino in character:

Who are you carrying all those bricks for anyway? God? Is that it? God?

Well, I tell ya, let me give you a little inside information about God.

God likes to watch.

He’s a prankster.

Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift and then what does He do? I swear, for His own amusement, His own private cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It’s the goof of all time.

Look, but don’t touch. Touch, but don’t taste. Taste, don’t swallow. And while you’re jumpin’ from one foot to the next, what is He doin’? He’s laughin’ His sick, fuckin’ ass off.

He’s a tight-ass.

He’s a sadist.

He’s an absentee landlord.

Worship that? Never!

Why not? I’m here on the ground with my nose in it since the whole thing began! I’ve nurtured every sensation man has been inspired to have! I cared about what he wanted and I never judged him. Why? Because I never rejected him, in spite of all his imperfections! I’m a fan of man! I’m a humanist. Maybe the last humanist. Who, in their right mind, Kevin, could possibly deny the 20th century was entirely mine? All of it, Kevin! All of it! Mine! I’m peaking, Kevin. It’s my time now. It’s our time.

Some gays are nice friendly people, so in that sense they're okay.
But some gays are militant, loud and noisy, so in that sense they're not so okay.
The same could be said for all sorts of other groups, for example catholics, mormons, jehovah's witnesses, blacks, politicians etc, some are okay and some are not so okay..

I've never run across anyone I would not welcome as family. True, some have chosen to abandon the way. Usually, they just stop calling themselves JWs. I don't consider them evil, though. You'd probably have to look for yourself to judge. You could take a peek without having to genuflect, or anything weird. No holy rolling. Nobody would have to know.

Everything, because those verses show that he has a God and Father.

I've read some of your messages, and don't think that you are that ignorant since your messages do show that you know your stuff fairly well. I'm sure that you know the answer according to the bible. The question is do you accept it.

I knew a young freelance street preacher in Leicester England some years ago, he was bright and breezy and always drew a good crowd because he seemed to know what he was talking about.
After a gap of a dozen years I dropped him an email and was shocked by how he's changed, he's joined the Baptists and is now one of their ministers and full of nonsense, for example he swears blind Jesus IS God!
It just shows that if you sign your brain over to organised religion your thought processes get muddled, and you start seeing things in the bible that aren't there, and drawing wrong conclusions.

…16Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18"I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.…

What do you mean by okay. Are they acceptable to God?

So...are they missing...or are they very, very rare????

You never did answer that.

The Bible could say that there is no God...and Jesus could still be God.

Stop supposing that everything the Bible says has to be taken as gospel. (All undercurrents intended.)

OK, missing.
I know of none

I get ya.

NO detractors in the JW's.

Hummmm!